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From: Daniel Butzu <dbutzu@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Re: A proposal to get out of this mess
Date: Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:24:00
Message-Id: 411a9f890801200623o32beb65bva1ac54b534359c36@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: [gentoo-project] Re: Re: A proposal to get out of this mess by Steve Long
On 1/20/08, Steve Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk> wrote:
> Daniel Butzu wrote: > > > On 1/19/08, Steve Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk> wrote: > > > >> For the record: I'd still like drobbins involved, but I don't think his > >> terms were at all reasonable, and the way he went about it was > >> reprehensible imo. It was designed to cause the furore it did, and only > >> makes me give credence to the argument that much of the negative press on > >> distrowatch has come from an associate of his. It was a totally political > >> move, and not at all motivated by concern for Gentoo afaic. If he cared > >> that much, he'd have approached Mr Goodyear privately or on the nfp list > >> if he wanted to be "open". Not put everyone through all this stress. > >> > > Maybe. However, since it caused the furore it did it seems that a lot > > of users were unsatisfied. > > >> Users used to feel just as excluded when drobbins was in charge > There appears to be some myth going round that everything was sweetness and > light back in those days; it's not true, and further the distro was an > absolute pig to maintain: > <long time user> "I used Gentoo when it was version 0.7, which was omg > broken. Packages were added to portage and this would be stable, that would > not compile at all. Then you had to re-sync to compile it, so in a day, you > would need to re-sync portage 3 or 4 times to get everything to compile. :P > ..Even still back in the 1.4 days, people really had no idea what to do." > > > You can't stir up something when there is nothing to stir up. > > Actually I think this whole drama shows that you can, or at least you can > draw attention to one thing (lack of paperwork) and pretend it means > something else (Gentoo is dying! Again!) People like drama. > > > So maybe we should focus more on our problems today, since we were unable > > of doing it yesterday. > > Er yeah, maybe you'd like to discuss those then? That was what the rest of > my mail was about. > > >> I've openly stated that I think user involvement and conduct on the dev > >> m-l are the biggest problems I see. > > As in, how do we constructively change those? Or do you believe that can > only be done by drobbins taking exclusive ownership of everyone's code? > > > > -- > gentoo-project@l.g.o mailing list > >
I think there is something wrong with your knode since it is putting into my mouth some words that I didn't say. When writing a mixed reply is not enough to mention the name of only one initial sender. -- gentoo-project@l.g.o mailing list

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[gentoo-project] Re: Re: Re: A proposal to get out of this mess Steve Long <slong@××××××××××××××××××.uk>