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From: "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Require OpenPGP signatures from existing devs on new developer applications?
Date: Thu, 05 Jan 2017 17:46:18
Message-Id: assp.01781dba43.5256661.XadVUmJIB8@wlt
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Require OpenPGP signatures from existing devs on new developer applications? by Rich Freeman
1 On Thursday, January 5, 2017 8:46:32 AM EST Rich Freeman wrote:
2 > On Thu, Jan 5, 2017 at 8:15 AM, Paweł Hajdan, Jr. <phajdan.jr@g.o>
3 wrote:
4 > > By the way, now with git, why don't we change from quizzes to just
5 > > "submitted X high-quality PRs and got support from Z existing committers"?
6 >
7 > The quizzes cover a lot of organizational information that have
8 > nothing to do with writing ebuilds, like the very first one: "When is
9 > it appropriate to post to the following mailing lists: gentoo-core,
10 > gentoo-dev, gentoo-dev-announce, gentoo-project? Provide examples of
11 > topics that are appropriate for each one of them."
12
13 It is exactly that sort of stuff that causes issues for some. Why one of my
14 recruiting attempts took 2 hours on the 1st quiz and did not make it half way
15 through the 1st of 3 quizzes total.
16
17 From my attempt to return in 2011. Note the returning dev comment, 2010-12-21,
18 and nothing from recruiting for months. Then on 2011-03-09
19 https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=135927#c27
20
21 Some may disagree with organizational information, list usage, etc. Some stuff
22 like list usage is not so controversial but could become such. Questions
23 relating to conflicts should not be part of quiz, IMHO. To much focus on
24 organizational stuff that is pretty moot.
25
26 Said another way, many do not care about Gentoo organizationally and not sure
27 it is crucial they know that stuff to contribute.
28
29 > Additionally the quiz covers a pretty broad variety of topics that
30 > just a few pull requests might not hit. Gentoo also doesn't use CI
31 > and tinderboxing/etc so it is important to make sure devs are aware
32 > that they need to run repoman on all commits/etc.
33
34 The Java Quiz is such, but many work on Java ebuilds never having taken that
35 technical quiz. It is a soft requirement for joining the team but not a hard.
36
37 > The quiz interaction is also intended to help the mentor get to know
38 > the applicant, and later for the recruiters to do the same.
39
40 I think the mentor should be getting to know the applicant in working with
41 them in general. Quiz review as a tool for recruiters to get to know someone
42 is HORRIBLE.
43
44 Someone may have contributed for a very long time. Recruiters may be much
45 newer, and their first interaction be during recruitment/quiz review. They will
46 not take the time to truly get to know someone. Though they will judge them on
47 their interaction as they are "qualifying" them socially and otherwise.
48
49 Recruiters should get to know recruits far in advance of a quiz. Recruiters
50 need to recruit, not just process quizzes as if they are HR. If recruiters
51 knew people, I feel the entire process would be much smoother and faster.
52
53 > There are
54 > certainly other ways of doing that, but I suspect they'd involve a
55 > similar amount of back and forth since the only way to get to know
56 > somebody is to interact with them.
57
58 Interaction is the only way. Not just once or twice, but over a period of
59 time. Or they should take the word of those who have interacted with them over
60 time. Mentoring developer, or other developers.
61
62 For many the only time they will interact with a recruiter is during quiz
63 review and such, and that is NOT a good way to get to know someone.
64
65 --
66 William L. Thomson Jr.

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