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On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 02:39:04AM +0200, Andreas K. Hüttel wrote: |
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> Am Donnerstag, 13. Oktober 2016, 01:30:23 schrieb Robin H. Johnson: |
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> > TL;DR: move comrel, infra, PR to Foundation. |
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> No. For the following reasons not: |
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> In the past the foundation trustees have shown to be fairly detached from the |
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> Gentoo daily life, |
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Are you referring to the first board prior to the New Mexico revocation |
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& full slate retirement, or the entirely new board elected thereafter? |
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The first board retired in full because they spent most of 3 years |
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debating bylaws and copyright assignment, then failed to notice the NFP |
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renewal paperwork problems. |
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> and as a consequence happily added known troublemakers to the |
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> foundation membership list. |
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The membership criterion (bylaw 4.3) is contribution to Gentoo & it's |
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aims. While the Trustees do have the right by majority vote to reject an |
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application, it's otherwise automatic. The bylaws don't grant any |
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specific rights otherwise to reject 'troublemakers'. |
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Secondly, why do you feel that is a problem? The Trustees do retain the |
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right (bylaws section 4.9) to boot a member. Since I became a trustee, |
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and we have a solid track of logs & recorded motions, we've never |
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terminated member for any reason other than lack of sustained interest |
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(retired devs not voting in the election anymore). Sustained interest, |
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even from somebody you deem a 'troublemaker', is mostly to the good of |
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Gentoo. |
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Even wltjr resigned from the Foundation], and was not terminated: |
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https://archives.gentoo.org/gentoo-nfp/message/dc2f34046910b10e6ddcb8304410046b |
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This has substantial similarities to an environment activist buying just |
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one or two voting shares in an oil company, so they are entitled to |
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reports from the board. |
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> This is not a body qualified have oversight of the developer community in any |
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> way. |
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Not over the technical side of the developer community, but over |
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anything with legal implications for the distribution. |
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> Also, (before you came along, which is something I'm very very grateful for), |
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> in the past the trustees haven't even managed to get the one thing straight |
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> that they're really answering for - namely, our finances. |
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The prior financial reporting was lacking, but in the complete audit I |
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did, I found no mismanagement of funds. An extreme caution was exercised |
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instead, to the point of not spending funds unless the outcomes were |
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extremely clear. I do actually intend to publish the complete ledgers & |
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financial statements, in a slightly anonymised form. The prior tax |
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filings may also have been deficient, but we're still doing record |
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gathering on that part (as I mentioned in my talk about the Foundation |
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this past weekend at the MiniConf). |
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> So why should we trust them with more responsibilities? |
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Why? They are charged with forwarding the aims of the distribution, and |
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ensuring we are a legitimate legal entity. If you believe prior problems |
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permanently prevents a group from taking on responsibilities in future, |
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then you're always going to be running short of groups to take on the |
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responsibilities. |
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> (Right now even the Foundation web page does not properly reflect the June |
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> election results yet.) |
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What page are you looking at? The wiki is definitely up to date, and I |
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can't think of anywhere else that reflects the results directly. |
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https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Foundation:Main_Page |
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It was updated as of 2016/Sept/05 to add the trustee (prometheanfire). |
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https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Project:Elections/Trustees/201606 had the |
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results listed 3 days after the election closed. |
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> We might maybe talk about this again one day if the trustees are voted for by |
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> the same electorate as the council. Not the other way around. |
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There is a significant overlap in the electorate, and arguably the |
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Foundation members are more invested: if they don't vote in two |
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consecutive Trustee elections, then they get booted. Council elections |
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however include all developers that haven't yet been retired, or are |
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just minimally active (a few commits a year, and little other |
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involvement in the distribution). |
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If you look at the voter lists for the most recent election: |
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https://gitweb.gentoo.org/proj/elections.git/ |
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council: 242 voters on the electoral roll. |
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trustees: 97 voters on the electoral roll. |
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88 in common. |
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Elections team (myself included): |
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- Can we publish a list of who actually voted in each election? |
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- We need to update the foundation membership list post-election still. |
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(I think at least 6 of the people listed only in trustees voters |
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didn't submit a ballot). |
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> > Have strict(er) application |
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> > of policies to them in line with their powers. |
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> Well, feel free to draw up the policies, but you still need people wiling to |
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> do the work... |
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I'll start with one for you: |
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All records which are stored or retained on Foundation hardware, and |
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related to the management of the distribution are the property of the |
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Foundation, and are subject to the jurisdiction in which the Foundation |
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is incorporated: New Mexico, USA. |
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Robin Hugh Johnson |
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Gentoo Linux: Dev, Infra Lead, Foundation Trustee & Treasurer |
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E-Mail : robbat2@g.o |
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GnuPG FP : 11ACBA4F 4778E3F6 E4EDF38E B27B944E 34884E85 |
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