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On Monday, January 23, 2017 6:57:43 AM EST Kent Fredric wrote: |
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> On Sun, 22 Jan 2017 12:17:25 -0500 |
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> "William L. Thomson Jr." <wlt-ml@××××××.com> wrote: |
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> > I do not see businesses spending money on Gentoo for a variety of factors. |
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> > As a business owner myself I have no incentive. Gentoo would waste my |
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> > money and not direct it toward development. Gentoo has no plans to use |
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> > the money to further development. |
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> > I would be better off doing what companies do now. Hire people who are |
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> > Gentoo developers, and/or can become one. Then I can pay them to do |
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> > directly what I want. By passing anything within Gentoo, Trustees, |
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> > Council, etc. |
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> > Companies are doing this now. They have no reason to give money to Gentoo |
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> When you talk about yourself, I think you're not asking the right question. |
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> Given: |
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> - There are opensource organisations |
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> - There are companies that give them money |
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> - This is a thing |
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> - These organisations typically don't have focused directed outcomes from |
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> said donations ( because if the donations were earmarked it would be a |
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> payment, for services rendered, not a donation ) |
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Sponsorship tends to be toward a specific direction. A donation has no |
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intention. |
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Where the two overlap is when you put forth a budget and hold a fund raiser to |
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fund said budget. Then people can see where the money is going either as a |
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sponsor or donor. |
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> Why do companies give their money away? |
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I have looked into this, and I own a company. I understand their reasoning and |
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why they are NOT giving money to Gentoo now. How money given to Gentoo pales |
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in comparison to donations to others. |
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> Also, have you considered Gentoo *could* create workflows where given gentoo |
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> developers do specified volumes of work, planned in advance, for pay, using |
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> money given to them by organisations? |
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I have considered many things. But without Foundation changes and a legal/ |
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financial structure to make it all happen it is pipe dreams. |
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Paying for GWN stuff is minimal and could be done now, today! |
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> Grant Structure. |
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> And its not like Gentoo doesn't need developers, or have lots of ugly things |
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> that require somebody to basically be a full time developer to get it done. |
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> Hence, Companies that *USE* Gentoo are the primary audience *because* they |
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> use Gentoo, and are thus a natural benefactor from any Gentoo improvement. |
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My business uses Gentoo. My interest in Gentoo has always been for my direct |
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use. I know many who work on Gentoo but do not use it. Definitely do not use it |
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for their day job, or even run it on their personal systems. |
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Companies that "use" or run Gentoo are less and less ever day... That is part |
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of the problem you are also not realizing. In the US, companies are moving |
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away from Gentoo. I do not know of any looking to migrate to Gentoo. |
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> And as Gentoo is important to their businesses success, it makes sense to |
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> invest in that infrastructure you're otherwise getting for free. |
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I am aware but these businesses have mostly moved on. I know of a few. I know |
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of more who are leaving or have left Gentoo. People I know who first turned me |
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onto Gentoo will never consider it for their business. |
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I do not even mention Gentoo anymore at LUG meetings and otherwise. It has |
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become worse than the red headed step child. |
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William L. Thomson Jr. |