Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Burden of proof

[Christopher Díaz Riveros]

Daniel,

El lun, 02-04-2018 a las 09:23 -0600, Daniel Robbins escribió:
> On Mon, Apr 2, 2018 at 7:53 AM, Christopher Díaz Riveros
> <chrisadr@g.o> wrote:
> > _You_ can say that this is your Burden of proof that mgorny is not
> > capable of being a Council member, but in the same line, _your
> > post_
> > shows that you are neither in position to be a good Council member
> > or
> > project lead, at least that's just _my_ opinion about this post.
>
> I am perfectly happy with you having that opinion, because I have
> never had any intention of being a Council member or project lead,
> nor "returning BDFL" of Gentoo that mgorny insinuates.
>

No Daniel, but the fact is that you have history with Gentoo, even when
you don't see yourself trying to be a "leader", you need to act like
one.

This reminds me some horrible local news from my country, where a
congressman had to made public some videos about corruption that we
suffer as country, that ended up in the resignation of our president.
Maybe he had to leave, but making pressure by using private videos and
then release them to public, was definetly not he correct way to do
that.

This is the fact from you fact-list:

You showed the whole mailing list (and leaved a permanent tracking
file) a conversation that was not previously seen by ComRel (which is
the project who you should try to contact before making this kind of
information public). Even when you are "just another user" here... I
mean, you run Funtoo, you are a public leader, and how could I possibly
trust my leader if he shows private conversations publicly... that's a
fact no matter with whom the conversation is, or what is it about.

> Really, you are asking for these kinds of posts to -project you don't
> deal with behavioral problems. I am not the first person to post to
> *this list* about unaddressed behavioral problems emanating from this
> individual.
>

Yes, but the fact that you are not the firstone of doing something
doesn't mean that it is the correct way to approach things, and you 
should know that. And maybe, just maybe, if you go through the correct
way you will be the the last person posting this kind of stuff instead
of using the correct approaches.

> Mgorny has no power over me -- I can easily ignore him in Funtoo. I
> actually take no pleasure in these mailing list posts. I find them
> unpleasant. I do this for those who mgorny continues to verbally
> abuse and make life miserable for, for those he has driven away from
> the project, or almost driven away from the project, who apparently
> don't have a voice because mgorny is too high up to be held
> accountable.
>

Ok, if you think that there is abuse and miserable people, please tell
that to ComRel, not to us. If you believe that you have the correct
amount of information and proofs, go ahead, but please, use the correct
procedures.

> Once this is addressed, I go back to Funtoo and leave you alone.

That's up to you. Gentoo is not perfect, and we have a lot of work to
do, but _I_ think leaving is not the best way, people here try to do
their best to keep gentoo running, and everyone has it's own demons,
but we try to work it together. My intention was never to attack you,
if you saw that way, my apologies, I tried to do what you asked:

-"Judge wheter this is appropriate". But I gave you just my opinion
instead of judging.
-Review the fact-check list.

Best Regards
--- 
Christopher Díaz Riveros
Gentoo Linux Developer
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