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From: Aaron Bauman <bman@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Fundraising for incremental service level
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 01:19:19
Message-Id: 4274D125-3827-4D9E-BE23-A30DC3F294AD@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Fundraising for incremental service level by Tim Harder
1 On July 18, 2020 8:49:49 PM EDT, Tim Harder <radhermit@g.o> wrote:
2 >On 2020-07-18 Sat 01:00, Alec Warner wrote:
3 >> So I think we can, somewhat, get away from this framing. Just get the
4 >> community to pitch N projects and rank them. Offhand I can think of a
5 >few:
6 >> - Replace portage with pkgcore.
7 >> - pkgcore maintainer (replace radhermit; who has been asking for
8 >help for
9 >> months)
10 >> - Replace repoman with pkgcheck.
11 >
12 >Giving some perspective on the pkgcore/pkgcheck side of things, I'm not
13 >sure most people realize how much work, for example, replacing portage
14 >with pkgcore would entail. For a niche project within a niche OS, the
15 >interested base of users is a few orders of magnitude too small to move
16 >the needle much through generic crowdfunding.
17 >
18 >In the past, pkgcore did have a patreon account since an interested
19 >user
20 >kept poking me until I set it up. I think it peaked around a handful of
21 >patrons and dwindled to nothing until I closed it earlier this year.
22 >While I thank all those who contributed for their interest/generosity,
23 >to put the stats bluntly, I think it garnered less than a person around
24 >my level could make in a day's work across 3 years.
25 >
26 >From my experience in software development, the most feasible method of
27 >getting higher levels of work done in open source generally requires a
28 >company hiring/contracting known project contributors to work on
29 >things.
30 >For rewrite projects like pkgcore, it can be incredibly difficult to
31 >convince entrenched interests that funding some core replacement will
32 >turn out as anything more than an expensive, time-consuming moonshot.
33 >
34 >For myself personally wrt pkgcore/pkgcheck, I'm somewhat open to
35 >third-party funding for specific work. To be honest, I don't see much
36 >of
37 >a future for the project under the current development scheme so more
38 >quantified external support might help spur more interest.
39 >
40 >Tim
41
42 Tim, are you stating that rewriting Portage is near impossible?
43
44 --
45 Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

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Re: [gentoo-project] Fundraising for incremental service level Tim Harder <radhermit@g.o>