Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...

[William L. Thomson Jr.]

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 12:24:42 PM EDT Rich Freeman wrote:

> I don't think any powers were really transferred anywhere in practice.

I am showing a trail of history where that is exactly the case. The powers did 
not exist when GLEP 7 was adopted.

"Right now there is no mechanism to prevent such disputes from escalating out 
of control."
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/GLEP:7

"Subject: Ombudsman project ending
.....
Ombudsman and Developer Relations have therefore made a joint decision
to end the Ombudsman project and instead move conflict mediation to
Developer Relations itself. "
http://osdir.com/ml/linux.gentoo.devrel/2007-05/msg00000.html

At some point devrel was merged into comrel. It very clearly shows these 
powers being passed around to entities that did not have them to begin with. 
No project or entity had that power before GLEP 7.

> Devrel did the sorts of things before the CoC that it did after the
> CoC.

Not before GLEP 7 and not till after the Ombudsman project ended in 2007. 
Which is why I recall it being a quiz question in 2006. Later replaced with 
comrel/devrel on the quiz.

I am clearly showing this problem started in 2007-2008 and has grown worse 
since.

> I'm not sure where you get that "Comrel/Devrel concept has not worked
> since its inception."

It is my observation and opinion over the years.

> If you mean that people still sometimes
> disregard the CoC, then that is like saying that the Police are
> unnecessary because there is still crime.

No this is like saying the Police are the ones committing the crimes. Police 
not falling their own laws. Creating new laws, etc. But police are NOT 
judges... In law enforcement there is separation of powers. That is not the 
case in Gentoo, though in the past seems it was a bit more so.

-- 
William L. Thomson Jr.