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From: hasufell <hasufell@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014
Date: Fri, 09 May 2014 18:02:41
Message-Id: 536D183A.1020405@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 by hasufell
1 hasufell:
2 > I'll give it to this list outright.
3 >
4 > I have problems believing in QA competence when I read comments like these:
5 >
6 > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473#c14
7 > https://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=473#c17
8 >
9
10
11 blocked or not, I just post them here, because there is nothing to hide:
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17 Comment 14 Chris Reffett
18 Depends on whether you consider build failures and stuff like that to be
19 QA's problem. Further depends on getting hardware--I for one don't
20 exactly have boxes lying around which have nothing better to do than
21 build packages all day. We can discuss this at the next meeting, but I
22 wouldn't suggest getting your hopes up.
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26 Comment 15 Julian Ospald (hasufell)
27 (In reply to Chris Reffett from comment #14)
28 I am not really sure if I understand that reasoning.
29
30 Testing is the very center of Quality Assurance (that's what I
31 learned... correct me if I am wrong). Gentoo as a distribution ships the
32 portage tree. If no one tests the tree on a global basis (arch testers
33 don't), then there is not much QA overall.
34
35 The quality of our tree inherently depends on the compileability of it's
36 packages. Further, there are a lot of use cases where a developer might
37 want/need to request a tinderbox run with a certain package unmasked, a
38 certain eclass changed etc.
39
40 In the end, it directly affects the user.
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45 Comment 16 Rick Farina (Zero_Chaos)
46 I have a tinderbox class system. I build 4400 packages a day, give or
47 take. Problem is, it's the same 4400 packages, and bug reports are
48 entirely non-automated. If you would like to help setup something
49 better, here I am.
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53
54 Comment 17 Tom Wijsman
55 (In reply to Rick Farina (Zero_Chaos) from comment #16)
56 > I have a tinderbox class system. I build 4400 packages a day, give or
57 take.
58 > Problem is, it's the same 4400 packages, and bug reports are entirely
59 > non-automated. If you would like to help setup something better, here
60 I am.
61
62 We should fix bugs first before adding more of them; reviving Tinderbox
63 would be nice for when we run out of bugs, but that's definitely not the
64 case yet today.
65
66 Consider to mark this RESOLVED LATER again...
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71 Comment 18 Julian Ospald (hasufell)
72 (In reply to Tom Wijsman (TomWij) from comment #17)
73 > (In reply to Rick Farina (Zero_Chaos) from comment #16)
74 >> I have a tinderbox class system. I build 4400 packages a day, give
75 or take.
76 >> Problem is, it's the same 4400 packages, and bug reports are entirely
77 >> non-automated. If you would like to help setup something better,
78 here I am.
79 >
80 > We should fix bugs first before adding more of them; reviving Tinderbox
81 > would be nice for when we run out of bugs, but that's definitely not the
82 > case yet today.
83 >
84 > Consider to mark this RESOLVED LATER again...
85
86 lolwat?
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90
91 Comment 19 Alexander Berntsen (bernalex)
92 (In reply to Tom Wijsman (TomWij) from comment #17)
93 > We should fix bugs first before adding more of them; reviving Tinderbox
94 > would be nice for when we run out of bugs, but that's definitely not the
95 > case yet today.
96
97 Should we replace enter_bug.cgi with a website saying "sorry, we have
98 enough bugs for now" as well?

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Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Call For Agenda Items - 13 May 2014 Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>