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On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 10:36 PM, Robin H. Johnson <robbat2@g.o> |
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wrote: |
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> On Sat, Oct 01, 2016 at 09:55:31PM -0700, Raymond Jennings wrote: |
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>> This is exactly why my opinion is strongly in favor of having the |
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>> situation, whatever it may actually be, documented so that people |
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>> who |
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>> might get burned by having their stuff exposed by legal action will |
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>> at |
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>> least have advanced warning. |
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> The "protected" information in the case of forums would be limited to |
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> private messages, and any private user information that was not |
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> exposed |
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> elsewhere (eg IP address, hidden email address). Everything else on |
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> the |
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> forums is a public posting, and thus not granted any protections. |
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> The case that really worries me is IRC private messages. There are |
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> generally only two parties with logs, which are likely to be the |
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> plaintiff and defendant previously mentioned. (Both parties have an |
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> interest in altering the messages). In most cases [1], the messages |
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> go via |
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> one or more Freenode servers, which could in theory log them, and also |
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> complicate the privacy jurisdiction question. |
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Interestingly enough, a widely used "unrealircd" strongly opposes |
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logging or snooping, and people get banned from their support channels |
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for even asking about it. |
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As for the difference between taking leads and rumors, and taking hard |
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testimony that can be used in a comrel case, I propose: |
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1. If its an investigation, you can be informal about it |
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2. If the accuser wants to open an official complaint, they in turn |
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need to be prepared to testify directly to a comrel member, who |
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themselves becomes responsible as I mentioned before. The accuser must |
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swear to be held responsible for the trustworthiness and accuracy of |
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their testimony, and to accept getting their ass burned IF they are |
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caught lying or screwing up. Emphasis on if. |
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This means, that if someone is just reporting rumor or a concern, they |
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don't need to worry about getting in trouble. But the moment they want |
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to make an accusation they'd better back it up with their own skin. |
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And if comrel investigates and gets its own evidence, after following |
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the lead of the accuser, then the accuser was probably right and |
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doesn't need to worry. |
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> [1] IRC does have ways to directly message another person without it |
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> going through servers; said ways originate in file tranfers between |
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> parties and are much less common today. |
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DCC. |
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> -- |
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> Robin Hugh Johnson |
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> E-Mail : robbat2@g.o |
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