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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...
Date: Thu, 13 Oct 2016 12:25:06
Message-Id: CAGfcS_kQTjmTpFxTXaVLyNRaUxoNWOwAv-yN8SRfR3LfjS5GhQ@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years... by "M. J. Everitt"
1 On Thu, Oct 13, 2016 at 7:17 AM, M. J. Everitt <m.j.everitt@×××.org> wrote:
2 > On 13/10/16 12:12, M. J. Everitt wrote:
3 >>
4 >> So, how many readers would feel 'better' about the situation if the
5 >> process was actually more Balanced .. that there was some form of
6 >> 'defence' as Chi puts it.
7 >
8 > How about appeals called the accused to answer to Council as well as
9 > ComRel .. would that ever work!?
10 >
11
12 In every appeal I've seen, Comrel did talk to the accused about what
13 happened to collect their side of the story, and the Council afforded
14 them the same opportunity to provide additional detail.
15
16 There wasn't anything like a cross-examination or confrontation of witnesses.
17
18 I think that a common pattern I'm seeing though is a misunderstanding
19 of the purpose of the Comrel process. The goal isn't to argue whether
20 a particular rule was or wasn't violated (sure, that might be a part
21 of it, but it isn't the ultimate purpose). The goal is to determine
22 whether somebody is likely to follow the CoC in the future. At least,
23 that is how I see it. That is really the same situation as with
24 interviews with incoming developers. They don't have a history
25 (usually), but we're still interested in assessing whether they will
26 be responsible, positive contributors.
27
28 More serious issues are probably going to be harder to just overlook,
29 but in general my sense is that Comrel is not in a rush to run model
30 citizens out of town on the basis of a single complaint. Again, I
31 haven't seen the details of many cases but from what I have seen and
32 heard my sense is that in the cases that tend to lead to people being
33 ushered out there end up being multiple people complaining.
34
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36 Rich