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From: "Michał Górny" <mgorny@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up
Date: Sat, 31 Mar 2018 22:09:41
Message-Id: 1522534173.836.6.camel@gentoo.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up by Daniel Robbins
1 W dniu sob, 31.03.2018 o godzinie 16∶01 -0600, użytkownik Daniel Robbins
2 napisał:
3 > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 3:48 PM, Daniel Robbins <drobbins@××××××.org> wrote:
4 >
5 > > On Sat, Mar 31, 2018 at 2:30 PM, Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o> wrote:
6 > >
7 > >
8 > > > You act as if Gentoo is doing something egregious here. In fact, I'm
9 > > > not aware of any organization that operates in the manner you suggest.
10 > > > If you were aware of one you'd be citing it instead of arguing in the
11 > > > abstract.
12 > > >
13 > >
14 > > Please pardon my language, but I think your comment merits this kind of
15 > > response -- are you fucking kidding me? So you are unaware of any
16 > > organization that produces software which solicits feedback from the people
17 > > who actually use the software? EVERY organization does this. Find me one
18 > > that doesn't. The burden of proof is on you.
19 > >
20 >
21 > Also, Rich, I think it's unfortunate that you don't see the benefit of
22 > having input from users in regards to software development. We clearly
23 > disagree on this topic, so I don't see the point of continuing discussion
24 > with you on this list.
25 >
26
27 Daniel,
28
29 Your tone is inappropriate, and I really dislike the kind of populism
30 you're trying here. I really don't know if you're truly concerned about
31 users, or merely trying to use them as tools to satisfy your hunger for
32 power.
33
34 Yes, soliciting feedback from users is important. However, I don't know
35 of any entity that gives 'point blank' ability to *decide*
36 on the project to anyone who claims to be an user.
37
38 If you disagree, then please try this experiment in Funtoo. After what
39 you've done here already, I'm pretty sure you'll find enough 'users'
40 wishing to remove you from the project or otherwise prove how broken
41 this concept is.
42
43 And yes, people actually do things like that. Not really from malice,
44 no. Just because they see something completely broken and feel that
45 their arguments are ignored. They do it to make things better, just
46 as you try to claim you're doing.
47
48 --
49 Best regards,
50 Michał Górny

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Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up Daniel Robbins <drobbins@××××××.org>
Re: [gentoo-project] Social Contract clean-up Daniel Robbins <drobbins@××××××.org>