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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: Comrel Accountability (Was "Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...")
Date: Wed, 12 Oct 2016 20:57:02
Message-Id: CAGfcS_nzG2-Bqa8Kbmj2282dhXmtW9qpcPupBypoXGOo36K4Cw@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: Comrel Accountability (Was "Re: [gentoo-project] Re: Trying to become a Gentoo Developer again spanning 8 years...") by Raymond Jennings
1 On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 4:35 PM, Raymond Jennings <shentino@×××××.com> wrote:
2 >
3 > As I mentioned before though, I think that could be done by having the
4 > comrel member accepting their "testimony" be held responsible for:
5 >
6 > 1) Forwarding back any challenges to credibility, basically serving as a
7 > go-between. This preserves the anonymity, but also allows the "accused" to
8 > rebut any questionable evidence or explain anything that may have been taken
9 > out of context, whether by mistake or otherwise.
10
11 Certainly Comrel ought to investigate the validity of any testimony,
12 especially things like PM logs or such which are easily tampered with.
13 That might include asking the accused for their own logs, or simply
14 discounting any evidence like this that isn't backed by multiple
15 people (maybe more than one witnessed an event, or maybe the same sort
16 of event happened multiple times).
17
18 > 2) If the testimony proves false and unreliable, the witness's identity can
19 > be exposed. And in this case, deservedly so.
20
21 This is still very problematically legally, because this amounts to
22 potential defamation against the witness if you can't prove that
23 you've gotten it right to the standards of a court.
24
25 > 4) IIRC/IMHO, its comrel's job to bring malicious witnesses to justice, and
26 > if they don't its a failure of responsibility on comrel's part and they
27 > should take the heat for it. If they're doing their jobs properly though,
28 > passing the blame back where it belongs should be a cakewalk.
29
30 I do agree that people who falsely accuse others should be sanctioned,
31 but this is probably best handled in private through the same Comrel
32 processes.
33
34 And if after scrutiny all you have is he-says-she-says then we should
35 probably just tell everybody what they should be doing, get them to
36 acknowledge that they intend to do so going forward (regardless of
37 whether it did or didn't happen in the past), and move on unless new
38 evidence surfaces. Sometimes you can't always tell what happened.
39 I'm certainly not suggesting that a mere accusation should lead to
40 harsh action.
41
42 --
43 Rich

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