Gentoo Archives: gentoo-project

From: Fabian Groffen <grobian@g.o>
To: gentoo-project@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years
Date: Sat, 06 Aug 2011 11:50:13
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-project] Council discuss: overlapping council terms of two years by Markos Chandras
On 06-08-2011 11:00:16 +0100, Markos Chandras wrote:
> Oh come on Jorge. You know what I mean by slacking arches. I am not > talking about punishing them. Maybe drop stable keywords or drop keyword > from X package and shrink their tree so they can keep up with the load. > > > This should be the arch more developers use daily and is likely the > > one with more members (herd count). Also, one should remember the > > time it takes to compile, test or debug an issue in a recent amd64 > > system or an old / slow box with an "exotic arch" varies > > substantially. Not to mention that the amount of testing done on > > "exotic arches" varies substantially between projects. > I am aware of the problems and this is way I want a solution.
And what solution do you have in mind (in your Council role)?
> > In the last council, I've took the job of promoting some email > > threads between arch teams, the council, trustees and infra to see > > what we could do about it. Some of the issues were then opened on the > > project ml. You are correct that there wasn't a "quick", "final" or > > even "conclusive" decision, but I'll argue that we needed more debate > > - including more interest and participation from the community. I do > > think we had a good discussion. > Yes, we discussed what was needed etc but I don't really think that > anything changed since them. If not, then I apologize
What would you have seen changed that the Council can influence upon?
> > If the argument in the end boils down to how many arches Gentoo > > supports and about leaving support for some arches or killing it so > > that maintainers aren't "bogged down" by arches, I'll support arches > > over maintainers. > > > I never said to completely drop these arches. When did I say that? I > just want a more realistic approach on how well an arch is supported. > Why you people are afraid to admit that we have problems? Having an arch > with constantly >200 stabilization bugs open clearly proves that the > manpower cannot handle the situation.
How do you suggest the Council to solve this issue and, as you indicated before, right now? -- Fabian Groffen Gentoo on a different level