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On 02/15/15 04:57, Ben de Groot wrote: |
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> On 15 February 2015 at 10:23, Mart Raudsepp <leio@g.o> |
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> wrote: |
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>> On L, 2015-02-14 at 16:37 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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>>> On Sat, Feb 14, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Andreas K. Huettel |
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>>> <dilfridge@g.o> wrote: |
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>>>> |
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>>>> We need to resolve this discussion somehow, by formulating a |
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>>>> clear policy. Which is why I'm putting it up here for |
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>>>> discussion and will ask to add it to the next council meeting |
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>>>> agenda. |
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>>> |
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>>> I tend to agree with what seems to be the general sentiment. |
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>>> As long as we still accept patches via bugzilla/etc, then we |
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>>> aren't "depending" on github. |
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>>> |
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>>> FOSS alternatives are to be preferred, but since we don't have |
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>>> those set up, I don't see why we have to live without anything |
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>>> in the meantime. If somebody wants to host such a thing, I'd |
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>>> encourage them to do so, and work with infra if they'll accept |
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>>> help. |
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>> |
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>> That is a good question. I'm sorry if I am the only one to point |
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>> this out, but: We do NOT have even a WEB VIEW of our OFFICIAL |
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>> overlays to see what is going on there without BLINDLY cloning |
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>> git URIs randomly! Why should contributors care ONE BIT about |
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>> things outside their comfort zone of contributions, which is |
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>> github in many cases these days? After 6 months of complete |
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>> blindness on official overlays, I was eventually pointed at an |
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>> outside cgit which shows what's going on there. |
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>> |
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>> After 2 years of talking, we are still using CVS. |
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>> |
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>> It is not surprising one bit that GitHub is the last hope to |
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>> people hoping to help out, with some folks willing to get their |
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>> contributions to actually MATTER. We have failed the community to |
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>> provide any reasonable free software ways to contribute. So |
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>> semi-open source ways it is. |
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>> |
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>> |
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>> With all the respect to the infra team they have done with their |
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>> existing capabilities, but we need to do better and find better |
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>> ways to achieve what we can with existing resources and fix this |
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>> completely sad state. |
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>> |
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>> Mart |
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>> |
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>> |
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> |
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> It is unfortunate that things fall through the cracks at infra, |
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> and more and more useful tools are not provided by services under |
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> gentoo.org, but by personal initiatives and hosted on other |
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> domains. |
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> |
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> For this reason I propose that Sven Wegener, Michał Górny, and |
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> Patrick Lauer be made members of the infra team, because they get |
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> things done that the other infra members don't (for whatever |
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> reason, not pointing fingers here). I'm thinking here about useful |
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> tools such as: |
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> |
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> - https://github.com/gentoo/gentoo-portage-rsync-mirror - |
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> http://cgit.gentooexperimental.org/ - #gentoo-commits bot - |
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> AutoRepoman |
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> |
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I too believe that infra shouldn't be a blocking factor in our |
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development process. If the infra team is not giving what we want to |
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develop software in collaboration with the user community we need to |
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look to other alternatives. If we need to use github or $foobar to |
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facilitate that so be it. Maybe the social contract does not apply |
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100% anymore and we need to adapt it. Being flexible and relevant is |
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critical for a distro to succeed. We can't simply turn down |
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contributors based on what means they use to contribute. |
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- -- |
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Regards, |
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Markos Chandras |
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