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Denis, |
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I also want to make the point that I'm not forgetting your own recent pain |
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with respect to Gentoo and the way some things are run. I urge you to |
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please keep in mind that the only way to change it is to not lash out |
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because of the pain (lashing out usually has the unfortunate side-effect |
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that people who had nothing to do with causing you anger still get hurt by |
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your reaction to them), but to accept it and work on healing it instead. |
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Healing the pain is a lot more vulnerable, but it's also more honest, and I |
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believe it can be done. I've seen it happen. Within Gentoo. With people |
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who thought they were enemies. Within the last 6 months (right, you |
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two?). Maybe 7 (I was in Zambia at the time). |
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Thanks, |
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Seemant |
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On 4 July 2014 12:15, Seemant Kulleen <seemantk@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> Hi Denis, |
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> You're obviously frustrated (and you might even be giving voice to more |
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> than just your own feeling, here). |
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> I didn't read Rich's replies as ordering anyone around. In fact, I dare |
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> say Rich is very consistent at suggesting and discussing, but I have yet to |
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> witness him order someone around on this list. |
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> I have had no personal interaction with him (ever), but he doesn't seem |
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> like an order-around kinda guy here. |
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> Having said all of that, there's a LOT of baggage around Gentoo's |
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> leadership. You (Denis) know from our private conversations that that |
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> baggage started around 2002/3 and that I've been carrying a lot of |
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> emotional baggage as well. |
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> But this is 2014. This is now, this is a time that we can shed baggage, |
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> because it serves no other purpose than to weigh us down. There's nobody |
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> left to blame. |
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> I ask, as user, that you please take a more charitable approach to |
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> everyone on the team with the simple understanding that everyone in their |
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> own way just wants to improve Gentoo. |
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> Thanks again, |
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> Seemant |
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> On 4 July 2014 12:06, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o> wrote: |
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>> On Fri, Jul 4, 2014 at 12:43 PM, Seemant Kulleen <seemantk@×××××.com> |
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>> > I'm sorry to speak publicly, but isn't this email exactly the kind of |
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>> > attitude we're trying to reverse. As a senior member of the project, I |
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>> > really would hope you set a better example of the change that you, |
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>> yourself, |
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>> > have said you wanted to see. |
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>> You are perfectly right to speak publicly. The point I was trying to |
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>> make in this email is very simple. The only good way of changing how a |
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>> team operates, for better or worse, is to join it. Ordering people |
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>> around without actually doing anything only works if you're the one |
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>> signing the paychecks. |
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>> Have we reached a point where council members are such divas that they |
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>> can't even be told when they missed a perfectly good opportunity to |
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>> shut up? |
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>> Denis. |
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