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Donnie Berkholz wrote: |
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> Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: |
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>> On Saturday 16 September 2006 09:51, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: |
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>>> On Fri, 15 Sep 2006, Marcus D. Hanwell wrote: |
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>>>> On Friday 15 September 2006 08:50, Andrey G. Grozin wrote: |
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>>>>> On Thu, 14 Sep 2006, Donnie Berkholz wrote: |
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>>>>>> Pretty sure they're not interested in linking to external overlays. |
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>>>>>> If you want a link, and to save some time on maintenance and future |
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>>>>>> breakage, it might be easier to just migrate to their hosting. |
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>>>>> I think this is an excellent idea. First-class inofficial overlays live |
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>>>>> at overlays.gentoo.org; we want the same status, we don't want to be |
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>>>>> second- (or third-) class. |
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>>>> I think this statement is incorrect about first or second class overlays. |
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>>>> According to their own FAQs that is not the case. My own personal belief |
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>>>> says it certainly is not that case. To make a more reasoned case you have |
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>>>> to ask what the actual benefits of a move might be, i.e. bigger admin |
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>>>> team, more widely used/tested, shiny gentoo.org domain ending... |
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>>>> |
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>>>> But like I said in my last response if the overall opinion is to move I |
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>>>> will make the subversion repo backup available for migration of the |
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>>>> overlay. I set it up as a service for the Gentoo scientific community |
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>>>> before any of this was available as we were sick of waiting for it to |
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>>>> appear... Now it has may be the overlay would be better there. I am not |
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>>>> sure - I doubt it would hurt though... |
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>>> Suppose I am a Gentoo user, and I want to try some new package (or a |
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>>> bleeding-edge version) which is not in the main tree. I search the Gentoo |
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>>> website for links to some experimental overlays (something like rpmforge |
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>>> and freshrpms in the RedHat world). And aha! I find overlays.gentoo.org |
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>>> (and nothing else). If the package I want is in one of the overlays there, |
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>>> I am happy. If not, I am stuck. |
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>>> |
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>>> In other words, overlays.gentoo.org lives on the Gentoo continent; |
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>>> gentooscience.org is an island in the middle of nowhere. |
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>> May be that is where our opinions of what the overlay is for are very |
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>> different. I never set the overlay up with general users in mind, and that |
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>> wasn't what we discussed when we were thinking about why we needed an |
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>> overlay. |
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>> |
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>> In my opinion the overlay is there for interested users wishing to take a |
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>> bigger role in development, using experimental ebuilds and helping to improve |
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>> them until they are ready to go into the tree. As such I was never interested |
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>> in trying to get the attention of some user searching for a particular ebuild. |
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>> All ebuilds which are suitable should be moved into the main tree |
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>> anyway and so the user will find it there... |
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>> |
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>> I never tried to keep the overlay secret, but why should users have to |
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>> set up a myriad of overlays if they just want to run a system? May be you |
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>> would be better off becoming a developer and adding stuff to the tree? If we |
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>> follow a trend of keeping more and more stuff in various overlays then Gentoo |
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>> just becomes more of a pain to run IMHO. |
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> There's a middle ground, where current developers don't want to maintain |
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> a package, but the non-developer with commit access to an overlay |
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> doesn't want to commit the time to become a developer. This is where |
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> things end up staying in overlays even though they're theoretically |
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> ready for the tree. This is why it's useful for users to be able to find |
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> overlays. |
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> |
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> Layman has made it trivially easy to add overlays already, so it's |
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> really much of a pain at all. |
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*not* much of a pain. Sorry it's late =) |
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Also, there's another middle ground where things are good enough to be |
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usable but not good enough to go into the main tree. |
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Thanks, |
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Donnie |