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On Mon, 2014-02-24 at 15:07 -0500, Rich Freeman wrote: |
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> On Mon, Feb 24, 2014 at 1:55 PM, Denis Dupeyron <calchan@g.o> wrote: |
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> > Gentoo is a base distribition with its own set of derivatives, just like Debian |
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> > and Slackware. |
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> Yup, and ironically most installations of Gentoo and its derivatives |
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> run upstart, which isn't even in the portage tree. How's that for |
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> choice? |
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I don't quite get the "How's that for choice?" question, even if it's |
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tongue in cheek... The only derivative I know of that uses upstart is |
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ChromeOS, and while I know that it's installed base is quite large, I |
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don't know that it covers more than all others (when you include Gentoo |
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in there.) Have Google ever released any numbers on ChromeOS devices? |
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What other derivatives run upstart? I do ask out of genuine curiosity. |
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> > It is even debatable that there is a default in Gentoo. Most |
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> > users seem to be attached to OpenRC, but the fact that systemd is a |
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> > hard requirement of Gnome blurs the picture. |
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> Well, following the handbook gives users an openrc-based system. At |
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> some point perhaps the handbook will make systemd a first-class |
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> citizen, and it will be just another option like lilo vs grub and so |
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> on. The only thing holding that up is cleaning things up and writing |
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> the documentation, and it sounds like there are some interested in |
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> doing just that. |
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I'm pretty sure, as with anything in Gentoo, if someone wants to see |
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systemd made a "first class citizen" in the documentation, they just |
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need to do more than want, and actually put in the work... |
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In fact, since we seem to be switching to using the wiki for |
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documentation, it seems like it would be even easier to do so, if |
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someone were interested in seeing it done. |
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> With all the Debian stuff going on I've been thinking about whether |
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> Gentoo needs to do more, and honestly I think we covered most of the |
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> ground we needed to cover last summer/fall. I think we've cleared the |
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> way as much as we can for both openrc and systemd to be completely |
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> successful on Gentoo. We don't have to pick a winner, and I don't |
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> think anyone would say it is quite time to change the "defaults" - |
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> whatever that even means. |
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> Rich |
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There are a few people who think we should change the "defaults" but I |
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agree with your assessment. I know at least one person is working on |
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creating some systemd based stage3 tarballs, and I watch, mostly out of |
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morbid curiosity, but I don't know what the status of that work is yet, |
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and haven't looked recently. Most of my arm devices have kernels that |
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are too old to use systemd, so I definitely appreciate the work that is |
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still done on the alternatives. |
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