Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?

[Dale]

james wrote:
> On 2/18/20 11:00 PM, rudi@×××××.net wrote:
>>
>>
>> On Feb 18, 2020 22:33, james <garftd@×××××××.net> wrote:
>>
>>     On 2/18/20 9:29 PM, William Kenworthy wrote:
>>      >
>>      > On 19/2/20 4:16 am, james wrote:
>>      >> So,
>>      >>
>>      >> After contacting several US carriers, the cover story is you can
>>     get a
>>      >> cell phone, root it with linux, and it 'should work'.
>>     Supposedly, you
>>      >> are encourage, but they
>>      >> will not offer any help. So rather than spending months,
>>      >> I'd like to 'cheat' and find a gentoo hack(er) that has
>>      >> rooted and put some form of gentoo, or embedded_gentoo
>>      >> on a cell phone.
>>      >>
>>      >> Please respond to the list, but, for whatever reason, private
>>      >> responses are OK too.
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> I'm just tire of my Android cell phone downloading update *every
>>      >> night*. I want/need control of the stacks
>>      >> running on the phone. I have heard this is quite popular in
>>     Europe and
>>      >> the Rf circuits have their own firmware, so it's really next to
>>      >> impossible to hack the Rf side
>>      >> of communications.....?
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> Any and all responses, public or private, are most welcome.
>>     Links only
>>      >> are fine too!
>>      >>
>>      >>
>>      >> James
>>      >
>>      >
>>      > For gentoo, I would say "not easy at all" - the problem is custom
>>      > hardware, propriety drivers and lack of information, even in well
>>      > supported models.
>>      >
>>      > There was an app where you could install gentoo into something
>>     like a
>>      > container - worked well but the android kernel I was using at the
>>     time
>>      > didn't have some functioned enabled that fed into limiting some
>>      > operations in the container.
>>      >
>>      > Easier and more practical would be to install LibreOS. You can
>>     build ii
>>      > yourself and build/include your own software as needed - I did it
>>     many
>>      > times with its Cyanogenmod predecessor (I presume you still
>>     can).� There
>>      > are some other stacks suitable for phones such as sailfish and
>> even
>>      > android can be built yourself (and you can defang/customise it
>> while
>>      > doing it - google not needed and if you dont install GAPPS it
>> still
>>      > works fine)
>>      >
>>      > To be honest, if what you mentioned is your main gripe, build
>>     android
>>      > and use a third party app store like F-Droid to control that side
>>     of the
>>      > equation.
>>      >
>>      > Make sure you look into rooting, flashing a new OS and the
>>     implications
>>      > of doing so - that can be another whole level of pain depending
>>     on the
>>      > brand of your hardware, and how recent it is (less chance with
>>     new stuff
>>      > as the really smart people have not had time to trailblaze :)
>>      >
>>      > BillK
>>
>>     Good info (thanks!)
>>     Here's what I've found so far. The purpose of this posting is to
>> share
>>     info, so we have a gentoo on a cell phone. I am currently
>> researching
>>     'unlocked' samsung phones that support 5G and CDMA, so most sim
>> cards
>>     should work. If others are interested, or know of viable github
>> (etc)
>>     places to upload codes to, gentoo centric, I'd be all for that. I
>> just
>>     done with carriers running my cell phones. Sure they can control
>> the RF
>>     (hardware), but not the software running on the phone. here are a
>> few
>>     links::
>>
>>
>>    
>> https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-a-linux-on-android-phone-without-rooting/
>>
>>
>>
>>    
>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators
>>
>>
>>     Here is an unlocked 5G and CDMA? I'm looking at to root with
>> gentoo::
>>
>>     Galaxy S20 5G 128GB (Unlocked)
>>    
>> https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s20-5g-128gb-unlocked-sm-g981uzaaxaa/
>>
>>
>>     Chating with samsung right now. Explaining *why* there needs to be a
>>     samsung dev phone, supporting and working with Gentoo....��
>> we'll see
>>     how this goes...
>>
>>     More comments? encouragement, folks interested?
>>
>>     James
>>
>> I am very interested, although my testing capabilities would be
>> restricted to a non-samsung Pixel 3. My�understanding is also that
>> the Pixel and Nexus devices publish their "vendor blobs" or hardware
>> binaries online which may help?�I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch
>> a bit on the Nexus 5, however the device is quite slow at this point.
>> My use case wouldn't be so much for control over updates, but more
>> for things like Convergence (Ubuntu), Dex (Samsung) or Android
>> Desktop. Where you dock your phone and have a linux/Android desktop
>> with floating windows etc.
>>
>>  ï¿½I'd like to be kept in the loop on this, and if possible I would
>> also like to help contribute software however I'm not really skilled
>> with hardware. I configure my kernel and that's about it.
>
>
> Sorry, I missed this. Super busy, trying to get Samsung to 'throw this
> effort a bone', in the form of deeply one-time discounted Samsung
> note:11 phone, that are unlocked and support booting multiple embedded
> (phone) OSes. Think about it (3) or more different stacks to test out
> one against another, security issues and many other things. Samsung is
> very very cool, but this has to be done in a way to avoid issues with
> large carriers and governments and their clandestine activities.
>
> Still Samsung understand the linux-source-centric developer and
> appears to negotiating with best intentions. It'd be great to get some
> of the gentoo embedded devs in on this, so it can move rapidly to
> everyone's advantage.
>
>
> https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171204006182/en/Samsung-Starts-Producing-512-Gigabyte-Universal-Flash-Storage
>
>
> I'm pushing Samsung for a dev phone with usb-4, a direct fiber port
> (SC) and a multi-boot capability, so we could have (3) or more
> different Operating Systems on a dev-phone. Totally open and
> supporting 5G development and testing for large, private networks.
>
> You could have a '%G campus' and then tunnel, via the internet, to
> other 5G campuses.
>
> Last, which is what Samsung really likes, is the myriad of cluster
> codes that could allow multiple Gentoo-Samsung-Note:11 phones to
> locally collect as a CLUSTER.
>
> Shoot for the moon and let's get what I get, for the (gentoo)
> brotherhood. Samsung seems to be very receptive
> to a large collective of gentoo-centric hacks to push the envelop with
> their latest hardware. Word I got was Late February.
>
> We'll see; I have been jilted before by majors. I also have a deal
> cooking for one of the largest manufacturers of 5G chipset. The
> enormous capabilities of 5G, needs hackers like us to dream, explore,
> ask for help and publish in the public domain, what we try, where we
> are stuck and when/who is willing to help. US feds actually cannot
> find people like us, so that are stuck FOLLOWING what we dream up and
> try to build.
>
> Just think, 3 of us, could rid on the back of one of DALEs tractors,
> running a gentoo cell phone cluster, so
> DALE, whilst driving, can have several screens and linux gentoo linux
> cluster collecting data, providing (AI) advice to DALE in real time
> about how to farm and correct drive. All very fuel efficient.
> Eventually an Electric tractor make by a modifies TESLA cybertruck hack.
>
>
> SOON, my brothers, SOON!
>
> be blessed,
> James
>
>


Reading that Samsung is interested in this makes me glad I bought a
Samsung cell phone.  :-D  While nervous about this sort of thing, scared
I might brick the thing, it is interesting and something I would
consider when the time is right. 

Who is this DALE you mention?  Just curious since that's my name and I'm
on a tractor, when arthritis allows it. 

Dale

:-)  :-)