Re: [gentoo-user] Gentoo on a cell?

[james]

On 2/20/20 5:23 PM, Dale wrote:
> james wrote:
>> On 2/18/20 11:00 PM, rudi@×××××.net wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 18, 2020 22:33, james <garftd@×××××××.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>  ��� On 2/18/20 9:29 PM, William Kenworthy wrote:
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� > On 19/2/20 4:16 am, james wrote:
>>>  ���� >> So,
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >> After contacting several US carriers, the cover story is you can
>>>  ��� get a
>>>  ���� >> cell phone, root it with linux, and it 'should work'.
>>>  ��� Supposedly, you
>>>  ���� >> are encourage, but they
>>>  ���� >> will not offer any help. So rather than spending months,
>>>  ���� >> I'd like to 'cheat' and find a gentoo hack(er) that has
>>>  ���� >> rooted and put some form of gentoo, or embedded_gentoo
>>>  ���� >> on a cell phone.
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >> Please respond to the list, but, for whatever reason, private
>>>  ���� >> responses are OK too.
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >> I'm just tire of my Android cell phone downloading update *every
>>>  ���� >> night*. I want/need control of the stacks
>>>  ���� >> running on the phone. I have heard this is quite popular in
>>>  ��� Europe and
>>>  ���� >> the Rf circuits have their own firmware, so it's really next to
>>>  ���� >> impossible to hack the Rf side
>>>  ���� >> of communications.....?
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >> Any and all responses, public or private, are most welcome.
>>>  ��� Links only
>>>  ���� >> are fine too!
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >>
>>>  ���� >> James
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� > For gentoo, I would say "not easy at all" - the problem is custom
>>>  ���� > hardware, propriety drivers and lack of information, even in well
>>>  ���� > supported models.
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� > There was an app where you could install gentoo into something
>>>  ��� like a
>>>  ���� > container - worked well but the android kernel I was using at the
>>>  ��� time
>>>  ���� > didn't have some functioned enabled that fed into limiting some
>>>  ���� > operations in the container.
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� > Easier and more practical would be to install LibreOS. You can
>>>  ��� build ii
>>>  ���� > yourself and build/include your own software as needed - I did it
>>>  ��� many
>>>  ���� > times with its Cyanogenmod predecessor (I presume you still
>>>  ��� can).� There
>>>  ���� > are some other stacks suitable for phones such as sailfish and
>>> even
>>>  ���� > android can be built yourself (and you can defang/customise it
>>> while
>>>  ���� > doing it - google not needed and if you dont install GAPPS it
>>> still
>>>  ���� > works fine)
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� > To be honest, if what you mentioned is your main gripe, build
>>>  ��� android
>>>  ���� > and use a third party app store like F-Droid to control that side
>>>  ��� of the
>>>  ���� > equation.
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� > Make sure you look into rooting, flashing a new OS and the
>>>  ��� implications
>>>  ���� > of doing so - that can be another whole level of pain depending
>>>  ��� on the
>>>  ���� > brand of your hardware, and how recent it is (less chance with
>>>  ��� new stuff
>>>  ���� > as the really smart people have not had time to trailblaze :)
>>>  ���� >
>>>  ���� > BillK
>>>
>>>  ��� Good info (thanks!)
>>>  ��� Here's what I've found so far. The purpose of this posting is to
>>> share
>>>  ��� info, so we have a gentoo on a cell phone. I am currently
>>> researching
>>>  ��� 'unlocked' samsung phones that support 5G and CDMA, so most sim
>>> cards
>>>  ��� should work. If others are interested, or know of viable github
>>> (etc)
>>>  ��� places to upload codes to, gentoo centric, I'd be all for that. I
>>> just
>>>  ��� done with carriers running my cell phones. Sure they can control
>>> the RF
>>>  ��� (hardware), but not the software running on the phone. here are a
>>> few
>>>  ��� links::
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://fossbytes.com/how-to-install-a-linux-on-android-phone-without-rooting/
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_mobile_virtual_network_operators
>>>
>>>
>>>  ��� Here is an unlocked 5G and CDMA? I'm looking at to root with
>>> gentoo::
>>>
>>>  ��� Galaxy S20 5G 128GB (Unlocked)
>>>
>>> https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/phones/galaxy-s/galaxy-s20-5g-128gb-unlocked-sm-g981uzaaxaa/
>>>
>>>
>>>  ��� Chating with samsung right now. Explaining *why* there needs to be a
>>>  ��� samsung dev phone, supporting and working with Gentoo....��
>>> we'll see
>>>  ��� how this goes...
>>>
>>>  ��� More comments? encouragement, folks interested?
>>>
>>>  ��� James
>>>
>>> I am very interested, although my testing capabilities would be
>>> restricted to a non-samsung Pixel 3. My�understanding is also that
>>> the Pixel and Nexus devices publish their "vendor blobs" or hardware
>>> binaries online which may help?�I've experimented with Ubuntu Touch
>>> a bit on the Nexus 5, however the device is quite slow at this point.
>>> My use case wouldn't be so much for control over updates, but more
>>> for things like Convergence (Ubuntu), Dex (Samsung) or Android
>>> Desktop. Where you dock your phone and have a linux/Android desktop
>>> with floating windows etc.
>>>
>>>  ��I'd like to be kept in the loop on this, and if possible I would
>>> also like to help contribute software however I'm not really skilled
>>> with hardware. I configure my kernel and that's about it.
>>
>>
>> Sorry, I missed this. Super busy, trying to get Samsung to 'throw this
>> effort a bone', in the form of deeply one-time discounted Samsung
>> note:11 phone, that are unlocked and support booting multiple embedded
>> (phone) OSes. Think about it (3) or more different stacks to test out
>> one against another, security issues and many other things. Samsung is
>> very very cool, but this has to be done in a way to avoid issues with
>> large carriers and governments and their clandestine activities.
>>
>> Still Samsung understand the linux-source-centric developer and
>> appears to negotiating with best intentions. It'd be great to get some
>> of the gentoo embedded devs in on this, so it can move rapidly to
>> everyone's advantage.
>>
>>
>> https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20171204006182/en/Samsung-Starts-Producing-512-Gigabyte-Universal-Flash-Storage
>>
>>
>> I'm pushing Samsung for a dev phone with usb-4, a direct fiber port
>> (SC) and a multi-boot capability, so we could have (3) or more
>> different Operating Systems on a dev-phone. Totally open and
>> supporting 5G development and testing for large, private networks.
>>
>> You could have a '%G campus' and then tunnel, via the internet, to
>> other 5G campuses.
>>
>> Last, which is what Samsung really likes, is the myriad of cluster
>> codes that could allow multiple Gentoo-Samsung-Note:11 phones to
>> locally collect as a CLUSTER.
>>
>> Shoot for the moon and let's get what I get, for the (gentoo)
>> brotherhood. Samsung seems to be very receptive
>> to a large collective of gentoo-centric hacks to push the envelop with
>> their latest hardware. Word I got was Late February.
>>
>> We'll see; I have been jilted before by majors. I also have a deal
>> cooking for one of the largest manufacturers of 5G chipset. The
>> enormous capabilities of 5G, needs hackers like us to dream, explore,
>> ask for help and publish in the public domain, what we try, where we
>> are stuck and when/who is willing to help. US feds actually cannot
>> find people like us, so that are stuck FOLLOWING what we dream up and
>> try to build.
>>
>> Just think, 3 of us, could rid on the back of one of DALEs tractors,
>> running a gentoo cell phone cluster, so
>> DALE, whilst driving, can have several screens and linux gentoo linux
>> cluster collecting data, providing (AI) advice to DALE in real time
>> about how to farm and correct drive. All very fuel efficient.
>> Eventually an Electric tractor make by a modifies TESLA cybertruck hack.
>>
>>
>> SOON, my brothers, SOON!
>>
>> be blessed,
>> James
>>
>>
>
>
> Reading that Samsung is interested in this makes me glad I bought a
> Samsung cell phone.� :-D� While nervous about this sort of thing, scared
> I might brick the thing, it is interesting and something I would
> consider when the time is right.

Agreed; totally. That's the hint, new releases of the latest cell 
phones, that are flexible, particularly with groups. Developing a gentoo 
base, with their help, is a win-win. Just look at where CoreOS (a gentoo 
derivative) ended up. Big business, and now trying to save IBM from 
themselves. Of coarse Redhat is dropping very fast in popularity as a 
linux distro, cause they now see the power of gentoo. But they did 
continue with systemd,
which is another 'can of worms'.


There is a recent 'spat' between Samsung and Google on kernel sources... 
that is an interesting read; ymmv. What the result is; is that Samsung 
is reaching out directly to the hard core linux community (that's gentoo 
folks), although not directly credited (as usual). It's a short read.


https://www.gsmgotech.com/2020/02/google-criticizes-samsung-for-making.html


I got backed into this because of my history (I actually put GTE on the 
commercial internet back in 1990, as  Florida's fist ISP CFTnet.com..... 
Lots of dead bodies...


Now, I'm a 5G activist, so that telcos become merely non-exclusive 
bandwidth providers and only the less informed use them for mobile 
software stacks.....  We'll see, I may get shot, but I'm old and just 
tired of the bullshit of the carriers, the F_fed idiots and all of those 
punks with nefarious intentions. Time to stand up, ymmv.


I think 'doctor trump' is ready to return the freedom and control of the 
airwaves, back to the citizens. The swamp really, really smells bad and 
is rotten to the core.



> Who is this DALE you mention?� Just curious since that's my name and I'm
> on a tractor, when arthritis allows it.



Yep, that was (you) I referenced, with just one pseudo use case of 
multiple gentoo cell phones acting in a mobile cluster. I hope I did not 
insult your countenance.....?


Like it or not, you seem to find bugs and flaws that most of us miss. 
Besides with 4 cell phones, you could have an audio reproduction system 
that is 3 dimensional, and custom graphical tools, not purchased from a 
farm equipment dealer but hacked together many internet folks.


Folks like you, are the poster child for what 5G is all about. The 
carriers think it's an opportunity to extort more money from the US 
citizens.  Let's build our own secure networks, cheaply, and use the 
carriers as but one option to move bits. Carriers should not have ever 
been allowed to dictate and control communications. Dig ditches, lay 
fiber and connect to a myriad of equipment, controlled by others, is 
what carriers *should* be focused on.


5G is an opportunity for a real communications revolution and GENTOO 
needs to be right in the middle of the birthing of real communications 
freedom.  Multi-path links and 5G hardware, will allow the citizens to 
control their secure communications. Very likely to be the biggest 
issue, in the 2024 election, republican or democrat, as we all have the 
right to completely secure communications, as much as we have the right 
to consume oxygen from the atmosphere!


> Dale
>
> :-)� :-)

WE rig you up, you just might have to ride that tractor to DC, so folks 
see that this pending communications revolution is about empowerment of 
the masses. Lots of street parties along the way; that's my hope (and 
prayer). an old fashion 'hippi music festival in each town.


99.9  percent of classified material is bullshit. It's  a ruse; just a 
tool of economic competition and exclusion, for the LARGE  vendors to 
have exclusive, non competitive access to do work for the government, 
without small vendors having a shot.


5G CAN change everything! Gentoo should blaze the open source pathway of 
contributions and WE all should dream, build and get control of our 
country back!


5G may be our last chance before Satan rules via consolidating all the 
large governments! 5G is our last chance, imho, for citizens to get 
control of their respective countries back. Stand or die, as the plagues 
of the last days, are just around the corner. Gentoo saves the world? 
Sound like a good movie for someone to make.....


Be blessed,
James