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>> -----Original Message----- |
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>> From: Wol <antlists@××××××××××××.uk> |
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>> Sent: Sunday, December 5, 2021 1:59 PM |
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>> To: gentoo-user@l.g.o |
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>> Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] LLVM and friends is not compatible. |
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>> On 05/12/2021 21:21, Alan Grimes wrote: |
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>> > I was playing Superliminal the other day and it wasn't doing too well, |
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>> > probably my GPU is too rusty to run it well, and it took down X11. |
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>> > Which meant it was time to update packages and reboot.... |
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>> > Biig mistake... |
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>> > Look, I know a lot of you are in the process of being killed to death |
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>> > by the slow acting poison known as the covid 19 vaccine. I'm really |
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>> > sorry about that neither myself nor God can do jack shit about that at |
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>> > this point. |
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>> Let's hope we're not dying from the quick poison known as CoVid-19 (that said, I do my best to avoid both :-) |
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>> > I also know that one of the several pathologies the poison inflicts is |
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>> > a form of brain rot as prion crystals grow and disrupt neural pathways. |
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>> > =\ It really sucks and I wish things had not gotten to this point. |
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>> > Portage is actually working, to some extent this time so I am actually |
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>> > a bit shocked and amazed on that front, it's been ages since it |
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>> > actually worked decently well. |
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>> Just make sure you have a working python !!! |
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>> > But then a large number of absolutely critical things are now broken. |
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>> > -> Xosview can't find the font it needs (!!! WTF???? ) None of my |
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>> > -> steam games play anymore. |
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>> > -> The web browser and mail reader that I've been using since the '90s |
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>> > won't build or run. I've been reduced to using WEBMAIL FOR GOD'S SAKE! |
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>> > to post this. I feel unclean. |
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>> Well my latest update seems to have fixed Thunderbird (which was randomly locking up input to the extent it was a Big Red Switch job to recover ...). |
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>> > -> Neither python 3.9 nor 3.10 will finish building. It appears they |
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>> > -> run |
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>> > some self-tests which fail and then they just freeze up at 0% CPU |
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>> > usage and I never get any clear diagnostic information. |
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>> > -> GCC-11.2 feels like it is mostly working but might be responsible |
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>> > -> for |
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>> > python failing specific tests as it may have been using trick |
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>> > optimizations that were hacks to start with but now don't work with |
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>> > the current GCC which is actually working as advertised. |
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>> Do you still have Python 3.8? Can you delete 3.9 and 3.10? |
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>> Which gcc is default? can you eselect a newer working gcc than your current version? |
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>> > I think one of the root issues is that llvm-13 deprecated several |
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>> > command line options that broke a number of packages that took a great |
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>> > many more packages down with them. I first just masked clang-13 but |
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>> > that doesn't seem to be enough, I also masked llvm-13 and |
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>> > llvm-common-13 and am running --emptytree world AGAIN. |
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>> > |
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>> Well, what I always do then is first an "emerge system" (no extra options), then an emerge world, then finally an emerge deep newuse world. Just a little bit each time. Forcing a bit at a time. |
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>> The other thing is (as I found out ...) are any default emerge options screwing you over? I had to comment out my default options to get virtualbox to emerge update properly, so if you've got any, comment them out and see if it improves matters ... |
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>> I'm going to have more "fun" soon, I think ... I looked at funtoo linux earlier today, but I think that'll be a no-no - it goes about "wolves owning their own shit" then craps all over systemd. I get some people don't like it, but when people say "if you like it we don't want you here" then I am afraid I don't want to know bigots like that. |
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>> I then found SourceMage ... looks very interesting! It's a pretty basic distro it seems to me, but it also seems to be a distro that doesn't try to tell its users what to run. So I'll be playing ... and it doesn't give you all that portage grief! Not that I like the sound of bash ... |
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>> :-) but all the basic system tools are written in it. They're very much "no dependency spaghetti", and that hopefully makes for easier admin... |
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>> The only problem is it seems very short-staffed. It's clearly up-to-date as in there's plenty of recent time stamps, but you have to look for them as much of the docu is 5, 10 years old ... |
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>> Cheers, |
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>> Wol |
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Source Mage is a spinoff of Sourceror and is kind of the opposite of Gentoo.
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Gentoo is a source-based distro for people who want things to mostly just work like with the binary distros, but also want to do customizations and optimizations easily.
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Source Mage is a distro for Linux From Scratch folks who are tired of maintaining their own package manager. They don't change *anything* from upstream in their packages, (which makes it really easy to keep "updated" on their end) but the package manager does have a lot of nice features for easily storing whatever patches and configuration changes you choose to make in order to get it running on your system.
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If you've always wanted to try LFS but tracking package files and patches and configs and so-forth seemed daunting then it's definitely an awesome set of tools.
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Otherwise it's kind of a lot of work...
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