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Bruce Hill wrote: |
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> On Mon, Dec 24, 2012 at 05:23:13PM -0500, Michael Mol wrote: |
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>> Then came the decision to move udev inside /usr, forcing the issue. |
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>> Now, it'd been long understood that udev *itself* hadn't been broken. |
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>> The explanation given as much as a year earlier was that udev couldn't |
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>> control what *other* packages gave it for rules scripts. OK, that's |
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>> not strictly udev's fault. That's the fault of packages being depended |
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>> on at too early a stage in the boot process. And, perhaps, hotplug |
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>> events for some devices _should_ be deferred until the proper |
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>> resources for handling it are available. I can think of at least a few |
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>> ways you could do that. And, yes, this was a problem systemd was |
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>> facing, and wasn't finding a way out of. (Why? I still don't know. |
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>> Maybe they didn't want to implement dependency declarations or demand |
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>> that packages impement partial functionality to reduce initial |
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>> dependencies.) |
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> You're stumbling upon it ... just keep hashing it out. |
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> The decision to write a new init system (systemd) and do things altogether |
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> differently is exactly what caused your previously referred to train wreck. |
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> And Kay Sievers collaborating with Lennart on this corrupted udev. Take those |
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> two prima donnas out of the udev destruction, and no such init problem exists |
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> today ... just as it didn't exist before then, for so many years. |
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> Linus didn't tolerate what they did to module and firmware loading: |
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> https://lkml.org/lkml/2012/10/2/303 |
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> and he placed the blame squarely on Lennart and Kay where it belongs. To quote |
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> Linus Torvalds: |
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> "What kind of insane udev maintainership do we have? And can we fix it?" |
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> Bank on it ... he *will* keep these prima donnas from destroying it. There's |
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> quite the historical precedent for such. |
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I find it fitting that me and Linus agree on udev. ROFL I'm not alone |
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but still. ;-) |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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