Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 12:43 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 6:38 AM, Tanstaafl<tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 2014-02-19 2:04 AM, Daniel Campbell<lists@××××××××.us>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as
>>>> the default.
>>>
>>>
>>> Ridiculous. Forget about Canek's rant...
>>>
>>> This is about *choice*. Also, I would argue the *opposite of what Canek
>>> is
>>> saying in this last rant...
>
>
>> Tanstaafl, can we please not use terms like "rants"? I'm just giving
>> my opinion, trying to be respectful and civil to the others
>> participants in this thread. I would appreciate if you do the same to
>> me.
>
>
> Sorry, Canek, no offense was intended, but if you go back and re-read your
> 'extremely overly enthusiastic' post (this plus the content is why I
> referred to it as a 'rant'),

Thanks for the explanation.

> while I agree with most everything you said,
> your primary point - that it should be the people who *don't* want systemd
> doing all of the work - was backwards, and that was what I wanted to point
> out.

I still believe that a non-systemd profile should be done by the
people not wanting to use systemd. But since I now support the systemd
profile (since it's trivial) the point is moot.

> So, please, don't take it as an insult. In fact you have done a very good
> job of patiently spelling out the advantages of systemd, to the point I'm no
> longer afraid of it taking over and devouring the linux world.

Thanks.

> That said, in reality, there is (or should be) nothing inherently insulting
> about a claim that something you (or anyone) says was a 'rant'. Pretty much
> everyone I know who has strong opinions on things like this rants all the
> time. Sometimes those rants have more value/substance than others. A good
> rant will provide lots of substantive supporting documentation backing up
> the claims in the rant. A bad rant just makes a bunch of baseless claims
> and/or personal attacks.

I don't think I was shouting (which I believe is part of the "rant"
definition); but whatever, I now understand you didn't mean any harm
and I appreciate it.

> Bottom line: since Gentoo's default and primary init system is (and
> hopefully will be for a very long time) OpenRC, it is on the systemd folks
> to do the work to get systemd fully supported.

Which has been the case up until now.

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México