Re: [gentoo-user] kernel 3.8 and external drivers

[Yuri K. Shatroff]

On 12.03.2013 22:09, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> Am 12.03.2013 12:51, schrieb Yuri K. Shatroff:
>
>> The starting point has to be someone identifying the problem.
>> When you come e.g. to a car service and say, 'my engine is not working
>> properly e.g. ignition fails or sort of', do you expect the mechanic
>> to answer, 'hell why are you coming to me? you know the problem, c'mon
>> fix it yourself'?
>
> no, because I am going to pay a shitload of money. See the difference?

So what if the problem be posed like:
"You found an issue. Here's my bank account. The more you pay, the 
quicker you get it fixed"
(that is not personal, just a view)
:)

> Nobody is paying me to hang around on this list. A list that is full
> with threads about problems that are:
>
> occuring every odd month, so a little search would have answered the
> question
>
> obvious user errors
>
> caused by stupid behaviour
> or
> easily fixable with a little bit of thinking and/or using google.
>
> Bonus points: people being pissy if pointed out.

Well, you're not paid for the answers to these petty bugs, too :) I 
mean, if you think one's run into his own stupidity, you're not required 
to answer him :)

> At some point you have three choices dealing with this:
> go away, because the shit isn't worth it anymore
>
> swallow it, show your nicest smile and go on in the hope that someday
> somebody might grow up
>
> become an asshole.
 >
>
> I have chosen option number three. I admit it freely. There are very few
> people on this list whose opinion I really care about. Those people
> earned my respect. So why staying and act like this? Because sometimes
> people are ok. Sometimes there are good threads. Because some people do
> see the pattern. Others realize that a bit of own research means a lot
> of time saved. Their own time. Learning something. Stuff like that. Btw,
> Daniel? cool reaction. I liked that.

Really, I thought from the beginning that you're kinda acting :) and 
Daniel apparently realized that, too.
Why I started this talk, it was probably me not quite knowing your way 
of acting. But I never thought anything like you are a real asshole :)

>> Or even more of it, 'your car is what it is, you wanna drive -- buy a
>> limousine for a couple hundred grands'?
>
> you are proposing that. 'Oh, this car needs manual intervention and some
> thinking. Mod your car to turn it into Carbuntu! It will do everything
> for you! Even driving! And breaking!*
>
> *except in icy conditions or raining. There will be no warning.

hell, even limousines break under conditions usually viewed as 'normal'. :)
What I said was a reply to "if you want things fixed, use ubuntu"
Though I can't perceive ubuntu as a limo versus gentoo as a "bad car"; 
to me, it's rather the opposite :) but when one answers like that, 
"gentoo is what it is, go use <my_unfavorite_OS>" that sounds like I 
said. (that means, kinda pejorative towards gentoo. That's another thing 
I was trying to highlight)

>> Yes, you can expect that a gentoo user is more familiar with the
>> things but you can't expect everyone capable of everything.
>> And clearly, there are people who'd do it better than an average
>> gentoo user.
>>
>>> This is not a unique situation, there are other out of tree drivers that
>>> give such a message, and plenty more that don't. All it needs is for
>>> someone to take the time to fix it - rather than demanding that someone
>>> else fixes it for them.
>>
>> Yes, that's it -- if you can't do it yourself, just inform someone who
>> has the time and ability to fix it. And no profound discussions about
>> what gentoo is and what it is not. Because (it's my humble opinion of
>> course) he who discusses the most does the least.
>>
> have a look at the checks in ati or nvidia drivers, create a suitable
> patch for every other driver. Not that hard. If you want to do it.
>
> I don't. Seriously.

Perhaps I'll try.

Thank you for expressing your point of view, after we discussed you 
behind your back :)

-- 
Best wishes,
Yuri K. Shatroff