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I apologize if this is a duplicate. My broadband ISP seems to be |
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having problems, and I don't think my previous attempt got through. |
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This post coming to you via glorious dialup. |
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On Sat, Nov 21, 2015 at 08:20:09AM +0000, Stroller wrote |
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> > On Fri, 20 November 2015, at 10:35 p.m., Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org> wrote: |
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> > |
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> > ... Apparently, |
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> > some time ago, USE="nls" became necessary for basic xterm functionality |
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> > ??? If there was a news item, I missed it. |
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> > |
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> > ...in package.use actually works the way I want, which simplifies things |
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> > rebuilding now, and it'll automatically catch any updates or new fonts |
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> > in the future. |
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> |
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> Your phrases "became necessary for basic xterm functionality" and |
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> "if there was a news item" read like dissatisfaction. |
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> |
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> They read like you're unhappy that the package didn't behave as |
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> you expect. |
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xterm stopped working properly on my system; yes, I was unhappy |
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> Maybe they would have behaved the way you expected, had you not |
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> disabled the default USE flags in the first place. |
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> This is the second time this year you've posted a problem to this |
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> list and then, a few days later, a [SOLVED] saying "it seems the |
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> solution is to enable this USE flag which is enabled by default in |
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> all the base profiles". |
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I like to keep my install "lean and mean". In fact, I have to. My |
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main system is a Dell Inspiron 530 Core Duo Conroe, 3 GHZ Pentium 4 with |
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3 gigs of ram. It shipped in June 2008 and still works fine, but it's |
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obviously not a "gaming rig". |
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It's a prime candidate for Gentoo. I subscribe to NHL GameCentre |
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Live. After a fresh install, with vanilla unoptimized code, it can't |
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even keep up with the slowest stream speed of 800 kbits/sec. After |
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optimizing and running "emerge @system && emerge @world", it handles the |
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fastest stream of 4500 kbits/sec. At that speed the load is 2.4 on a |
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2-core cpu, because Flash is a resource hog, but it works. |
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I have 2 newer systems that I use as "hot backup" as well as general |
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playing around. I update them every so often, as well as rsyncing my |
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home directory over to them. This is in addition to backups to an |
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external USB drive. Until such time as the Inspiron 530 dies, or can't |
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handle stuff I need, I'm not going to take it to the regional ewaste |
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dump. |
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As for base flags changing, what percentage of this list have an ISP |
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that runs IPV6? And no, I'm not talking about a limited beta. At one |
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point, I started with USE="-* blah blah blah". The USE line got a bit |
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long with all the flags I added. I was effectively building my own |
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custom profile. Lately, I've run without USE="-*". Now I have a lot of |
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USE="-blah -blah -blah" and my USE line is just as long. Do you know |
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that Opera pulls in gstreamer by default unless I have "-gstreamer" in |
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either USE or package.use? And fltk defaults to pulling in xinerama |
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unless explicitly over-ridden. Etc, etc. |
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When USE="netifrc" became necessary for OpenRC, a developer posted on |
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this list warning everbody who was running "USE=-*". We got news items |
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for changes in how the libav and ffmpeg flags were being handled. |
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That's how this should have been handled. There's something in the IT |
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industry called "the principle of least surprise" aka "the principle of |
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least astonishment". |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_least_astonishment If you're |
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doing something that has worked for years, it should not suddenly break |
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one day *WITHOUT NOTICE*. |
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-- |
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Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org> |
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I don't run "desktop environments"; I run useful applications |