Re: [gentoo-user] Threads changing Was: OT: website design

[Indi]

On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 01:01:22PM +0200, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
> On Sunday 05 June 2011 06:43:37 Indi wrote:
> > On Sun, Jun 05, 2011 at 11:46:49AM +0200, Alan McKinnon wrote:
> > > Apparently, though unproven, at 23:59 on Saturday 04 June 2011, Indi did
> > > opine
> > >
> > > thusly:
> > > > On Sat, Jun 04, 2011 at 11:44:30PM +0200, Sebastian Beßler wrote:
> > > > > Am 04.06.2011 23:10, schrieb Indi:
> > > > > > Every single GUI MUA I ever tried would lock up and become
> > > > > > unresponsive at times when dealing with IMAP.
> > > > >
> > > > > I use Thunderbird and IMAP for 3 years now and in all that time
> > > > > became TB never unresponsive. So this point seems to have
> > > > > improved since your testing.
> > > >
> > > > That's good to know, thanks.
> > > > I'm unlikely to switch from mutt (due in part to so many macros and
> > > > customizations accumulated the last couple of years), but am always
> > > > keeping an eye out for those I support.
> > > >
> > > > Maybe I'll put the next person who complains about evolution on
> > > > thunderbird and see how they do with it...
> > >
> > > Evolution just sucks, all the time. The only feature that sets is apart
> > > is the Exchange support, and it's precisely that which crashes is. We
> > > enabled POP/IMAP on Exchange and non-Outlook users use that.
> > >
> > > Thunderbird - I itried this a while back when KMail-4.5.9999 pissed me
> > > off extremely. Capable enough except it does something weird with it's
> > > internal indexing - shows there's mail in folder, click the folder and
> > > it decides there isn't mail after all. S simple this, but a
> > > deal-breaking annoying one.
> > >
> > > Mutt - my networks guys use this on a dedicated mail server just for
> > > them
> > > (networks guys really are special) and they have no issues at all. 2 of
> > > them are hard-core crazy and choose pine instead. The only problem with
> > > pine is finding who is supported and maintaining it lately (as repine)
> > >
> > > Claws is fast, very fast. I didn't like the way it dealt with mail
> > > accounts and enable/disable them quickly and easily.
> > >
> > > KMail was always the best of the lot for me. It read and composed mail,
> > > it had all the features of a pine/mutt and shows it in a GUI. No weird
> > > bling-bling (it *could* do HTML mail but you had to jump through a hoop
> > > first) and made sensible use of the extra screen space and all the
> > > information that could be shown. But in the last year, I don't know so
> > > much anymore. KDEPIM has a "corporate sponsor" which I take to mean
> > > "works like Outlook". It's two whole minor releases behind KDE and they
> > > don't have a incremental feature set they can release for the interim.
> > > And then there's that text-search aspect that kills Akonadi.
> > >
> > > I see room for a KDEPIM fork from the 4.4 codebase in maintenance mode
> > > that does not add deep features.
> >
> > Thanks, Alan. Of course kmail is out of the question, as it requires a
> > ginormous application framework be built (and rebuilt weekly, it looks
> > like).
> >
> > I got pretty fed up with wasting time fooling with anything qt,
> > to the point it's now officially banished entirely from my systems.
> > That decision alone has saved me hours of extra work updating (and
> > subsquent repairing of the inevitable fallout) per week.
> >
> > For a long time I built vlc with qt4 (it's very convenient when you're
> > exhausted and just want to play a video), but finally got sick of having
> > to rebuild it every time the qt guys change anything (which they seem to
> > do about every two hours). Now I just use nvlc and cvlc instead.
> >
> > Since I started building vlc without qt I go weeks without having to
> > rebuild it.
> >
> > It's too bad, really. Potentially, qt4 and kde could totally rock.
> > I don't suppose the corporate shenanigans with Nokia and Microsoft
> > have helped, either...
> >
> > Of course,  I am using ~x86. It might be less hectic on stable...
>
> funny - last qt update did not require any rebuilds.
>
> I wish I could get rid of gtk. Now THAT is a mess.
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>

Yes, gtk also sucks but I find it far less work far less often 
than using qt, and I've got a selection of custom themes that 
help mitigate the ugliness.

If I were driven strictly by aesthetic concerns qt and kde4 
might be my choices, as they can be extremely pleasant to look 
at. Heh, reminds me of my ex -- he was very pleasant to look at 
(and a huge amount of constant maintenance work) as well. ;)

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