Re: [gentoo-user] Debian just voted in systemd for default init system in jessie

[Canek Peláez Valdés]

On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 12:18 PM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org> wrote:
> On 2014-02-20 10:55 AM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 20, 2014 at 6:53 AM, Tanstaafl <tanstaafl@×××××××××××.org>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> while I agree with most everything you said, your primary point -
>>> that it should be the people who *don't* want systemd doing all of
>>> the work - was backwards, and that was what I wanted to point out.
>
>
>> I still believe that a non-systemd profile should be done by the
>> people not wanting to use systemd. But since I now support the systemd
>> profile (since it's trivial) the point is moot.
>
>
> <snip>
>
>
>>> Bottom line: since Gentoo's default and primary init system is (and
>>> hopefully will be for a very long time) OpenRC, it is on the systemd
>>> folks
>>> to do the work to get systemd fully supported.
>
>
>> Which has been the case up until now.
>
>
> As you have freely admitted that OpenRC being the default init system for
> gentoo is unlikely to change anytime soon, I'm at a loss as to how you can
> justify your first comment above? Your comment would only make sense if
> systemd was made the default init system.

OK, I think I get the misunderstanding. This is how I saw the discussion:

1. Some people started to say that systemd should go on its own
profile. The people saying that DID NOT wanted to use systemd.
2. I thought that the people using systemd were not interested in
making a systemd profile (I was wrong, the profile basically already
exists).
3. Since you cannot FORCE no one to work on something, then the burden
of work of this systemd profile would have landed on the people NOT
WANTING to use systemd. To me, this does not make sense.
4. When someone (don't remember whom) proposed a systemd-sucks
profile, I thought that was perfect, because the burden of work then
would have landed on the people that want this profile. I even
volunteered to help.
5. The moment I saw that the profile is already done, I changed my
mind; the people using systemd ALREADY did the work (which seems to be
trivial, BTW; I didn't knew that either), therefore no one is trying
forcing anyone to do work, then a systemd profile is fine (since it's
already done).

This is orthogonal to which init system is the default, I think. I was
just arguing that if a group A of people want a profile X, that group
A of people must do the work to get said profile X working. In the
case of systemd, that means *using* systemd, so it made no sense to me
that the group A did the work, when they *do not* want to use systemd.

Once again, all of this is made moot by the fact that the systemd
profile is basically available now. But that does not change my point
that if someone wants a X profile, then the burden of work must fall
on that someone.

Clear now?

Regards.
-- 
Canek Peláez Valdés
Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación
Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México