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From: Enrico Weigelt <weigelt@×××××.de>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: [gentoo-user] Quo vadis Gentoo [WAS: Daniel Robbins' come back ?]
Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2008 14:56:54
Message-Id: 20080119145527.GB29753@nibiru.local
In Reply to: [gentoo-user] Re: Daniel Robbins' come back ? by James
1 * James <wireless@×××××××××××.com> wrote:
2
3 Hi,
4
5 > 4. Formalize a process where others (non devs) can build, store and
6 > maintain ebuilds that are not blessed by the devs, so individuals
7 > can easily share their work with the larger Gentoo community.
8
9 Isn't this what several overlay projects (eg. Sunrise) are meant for ?
10 IMHO, Sunrise suffers from it's size - lot's of smaller overlays
11 could be the way to go. Maybe differenciate between bleeding-edge
12 and production overlays ?
13
14 AFAIK, the current overlay technique could be improved to make
15 using *dozens* of overlays much easier. Some points I'm missing:
16 per-overlay masking direct overlay selection when emerging.
17
18 I'm using several overlays and I'd like to have exact control
19 where specific ebuilds come from on updates. For example I have
20 to change a few ebuilds from the main tree and take care that
21 nothing get mixed up - updates from the main tree should not
22 override older versions from my overlay, but I need to be
23 informed about them.
24
25 > If one choses such and ebuild there on their own. The gentoo devs
26 > should develop a semantic where folks not officially part of the
27 > devs can maintain a package or two, rather than making ebuilds for
28 > obsolescence, unilaterally.
29
30 Maybe a combination of overlays and proxy maintenance ?
31
32 > 6. Provide resources to the gentoo-embedded group to assist them
33 > in their efforts to assimilate embedded-gentoo into gentoo
34 > so that lots of ordinary users can build and experiment with
35 > embedded gentoo.
36
37 Actually, as an embedded guy, I don't think that Gentoo (with it's
38 current models) is really suitable for embedded systems (-> small
39 devices, exotic platforms, ...). The concepts are fundamental
40 opposite. For example, if you're not always crosscompiling within
41 sysroot, you're seriously wrong for embedded systems ;-P
42
43 I really doubt that it's really worth trying to make (current)
44 Gentoo suitable for embedded systems, as major concepts are
45 opposite and it would cause us big headache.
46
47 BUT: I really think that an major distro like Gentoo should
48 cooperate with embedded folks in an meta project like OSS-QM.
49 For example, most of the collected patches could be a bit more
50 generalized and then go to OSS-QM, while Gentoo could get it's
51 directly from there.
52
53
54 cu
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57 Enrico Weigelt == metux IT service - http://www.metux.de/
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59 Please visit the OpenSource QM Taskforce:
60 http://wiki.metux.de/public/OpenSource_QM_Taskforce
61 Patches / Fixes for a lot dozens of packages in dozens of versions:
62 http://patches.metux.de/
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