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On Wed, Feb 19, 2014 at 1:04 AM, Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us> wrote: |
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> On 02/18/2014 12:14 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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>> On Tue, Feb 18, 2014 at 12:07 PM, Andrew Savchenko <bircoph@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>> On Tue, 18 Feb 2014 11:22:23 -0600 Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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>>>>> Yet again, I respect ones right to use whatever one wants, but I ask |
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>>>>> to respect mine as well. That's why I propose a separate systemd |
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>>>>> profile for those willing to use it. |
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>>>> Then write. Just be aware that to write a systemd profile, you need to |
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>>>> use systemd. |
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>>> Or to create a non-systemd profile :) |
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>> That's the best response I've read in, like, many years. That's |
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>> perfect; I'm 100% behind it. I even volunteer to help (with testing) |
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>> to anyone going for this. |
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>> You guys create a systemd-sucks-we-dont-want-it profile, and I promise |
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>> to give you guys a hand. |
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>> Make a profile that "frees" users from using systemd, and I think even |
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>> several Gentoo developers will get behind that. |
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>> Now we are talking; this has been my whole point the whole time. |
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>> Everybody that don't want to use systemd; help this idea, and if there |
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>> are enough of you, you'll pulled through. |
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>> Regards. |
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> For such a profile to be legitimate, systemd would have to be chosen as |
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> the default. Gentoo is one of the last bastions of choice available to |
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> GNU/Linux users and it would create a complete shitstorm if systemd were |
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> pushed on Gentoo's users. You're just trying to push systemd on one of |
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> the few distros that doesn't use it by default. Do you hang out with |
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> John Paul Adrian Glaubitz? He's a Debian developer who has a |
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> long-running history of pushing systemd as well. There is nothing wrong |
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> with systemd as a choice, but to push it as the default is ridiculous. |
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> systemd can have its own profile while the rest of the world goes on |
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> without it. Everybody wins. |
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For the record, and being completely honest (I've always been), at |
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some point, yeah, I would like for the devs to discuss the idea of |
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systemd as default init system. It does not depends on me though; the |
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devs (and the council they elect) will take such decision, and the |
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discussion (if it happens) will be in a long, long time. |
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But my (previous) push for a systemd-sucks profile was because I |
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sincerely believe that the burden of work should be on the ones |
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proposing *any* profile, and to support a systemd profile you *need* |
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to use systemd, and then it makes no sense that the people that *don't |
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want* systemd need to do the work for a systemd profile. |
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However, after Andreas K. Huettel pointed out (in [1]) how simple and |
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minimal a systemd profile actually is[2], I changed my mind. I now |
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wholeheartedly support a systemd profile, since is so small, that the |
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burden of work is basically negligible, and apparently the same |
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GNOME/systemd Gentoo developers are already doing it. |
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So, I think, everybody agrees now. Lets have a systemd profile. |
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(I mean, the work to have it apparently it's already done, so it does |
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not matter what I, or anyone here, argues about it). |
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> For all this talk about technical details, nobody seems to notice the |
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> marketing that's going on and frankly it disgusts me. |
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There is no marketing; no one is selling nothing. |
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We are just discussing different technologies and their merits (or |
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demerits), according to what each one of us knows/believe. It's |
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interesting, it's fun, we learn things (I learned about the systemd |
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profile in existence) and it changes absolutely nothing about Linux, |
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Gentoo, or the status of systemd anywhere. |
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To change Linux, Gentoo, or the status of systemd somewhere, people |
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need to contribute code, testing or documentation, not post arguments |
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in mailing lists. But again, it's fun (except for a couple of trolls), |
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so no harm is done. |
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Regards. |
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[1] http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.gentoo.user/272668 |
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[2] http://sources.gentoo.org/cgi-bin/viewvc.cgi/gentoo-x86/profiles/targets/systemd/ |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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