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On Thursday, September 03, 2015 01:16:47 AM James wrote: |
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> Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon <at> gmail.com> writes: |
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> > > Last, I suggest a parallel learning of C/C++ as it really helps |
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> > |
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> > ^this^, after the basics are fully mastered. |
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> > netmasks make no sense at all until bitwise operators are fully |
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> > understood. Even CIDR notation is not really obvious until you |
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> > understand what languages like C do with the 32 bit words we call IP |
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> > addresses. All x10 when IPv6 comes into play |
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> Huh. I find teaching networking, including the intricacies of advanced |
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> protocol design, implementation and debugging, are far simpler if |
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> folks know at least one programming language. Bit manipulations |
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> are but one part of logic, sequential circuits timing and such |
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> of the Computer Engineer's domain. In my experience, if folks read too |
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> much, but do not play with some codes on actual hardware, it all becomes a |
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> giant nebula. I guess I just like the practical side of these issues, to get |
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> folks hooked on hardware. |
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> How a serial port (rs_232) works and the putting ppp over that is very |
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> keen for teaching networking. ymmv. You can also use a protocol analyzer to |
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> see some cool things. Many codes are published and looking at how a |
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> microprocessor handles basic packets is very stimulating and encouraging. |
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> Too bad most kids now days do not get to work on embedded hardware and build |
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> up an executive or state machine and send/recieve data over interfaces. |
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> Granted I worked in the world where assembler was |
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> king (embedded) and assembler folks learning C and tcp/ip were easily amazed |
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> and happy to migrate from assembler to C. |
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> As Joost pointed out, I guess it really depends on the background of |
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> the student. Being a hardware guy, I guess my focus is tainted.... |
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> So, fair enough, but how long (exactly what are the basics) do you |
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> read before you go to the lab and play? Labs are always more fun |
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> than classrooms, lectures and stuffy old farts.............(gotcha!) ? |
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> cheers, |
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> James |
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If you want to base it on programming, I would recommend the following as |
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well: |
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http://beej.us/guide/bgnet/ |
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Joost |
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