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Am 20.10.2013 13:18, schrieb Daniel Campbell: |
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> On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: |
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>> Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell: |
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>>> On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote: |
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>>>> Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell: |
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>>>>> hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux |
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>>>>> kernel, userland, graphics... if you 'don't trust them' you are pretty |
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>>>>> much 20 years too late. |
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>>>>> Investing money does not make them any more qualified or deserving of |
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>>>>> making decisions. Red Hat is not the sole user of Linux. They should |
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>>>>> consider themselves lucky that they are even able to profit from |
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>>>>> something that's free. |
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>>>>> You're right, though. They've been around for a while, and I've never |
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>>>>> trusted them or any other corporate interest in *nix. There's always a |
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>>>>> catch when dealing with a business. |
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>>>> 'have been around for a while' - replace that with 'are financing more |
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>>>> core developers than anybody else'. |
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>>> That's less reason to trust, not more. That's like citing the popularity |
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>>> of something as proof of its quality, when oftentimes it's the exact |
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>>> opposite that's true. |
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>>> So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important |
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>>> question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those developers to |
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>>> *make*? You don't hire people without a business plan in mind. |
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>> without Redhat, there would be no linux. gnu software would be massively |
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>> lacking and X would be without drivers. |
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>> So calm down. |
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> Linux was created and released in 1991, built with GNU tools. Red Hat |
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> didn't come along until 1993. Linux and GNU would both still be here; |
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> their quality without Red Hat involvement is speculative at best. |
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no, it is not. Several of the most important Kernel devs are or were |
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Redhat developers. |
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So you just showed that you have no clue at all. You should stop right |
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there. |
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> I maintain that motives matter more than money and that they (motives) |
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> should continually be audited, especially when receiving contributions |
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> from a company. They may already be; I don't know. |
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> Re: drivers, do you expect me to believe Red Hat is responsible for |
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> every X11 driver out there? |
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no, but they paid a lot of developers working on several drivers. |
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For example David Airlie is employed by Redhat. |
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Look him up. |
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> How many of this list?[1] What of radeon and |
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radeon? David Airlie again. |
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> nouveau? nvidia's own driver? xf86-input-wacom (and linuxwacom)[2]? I'm |
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> sure Red Hat has contributed plenty to X11, but your statement is |
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> flat-out false. |
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nope. Your statements lack any connection to reality. |
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since you like links, think about this one for a while: |
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https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/560928-counting-contributions-who-wrote-linux-32 |
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http://www.linuxfoundation.org/news-media/announcements/2012/04/linux-foundation-releases-annual-linux-development-report |
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