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From: Daniel Campbell <lists@××××××××.us>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager?
Date: Sun, 20 Oct 2013 11:18:33
Message-Id: 5263BC00.9080208@sporkbox.us
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? by Volker Armin Hemmann
1 On 10/20/2013 06:02 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
2 > Am 20.10.2013 12:52, schrieb Daniel Campbell:
3 >> On 10/20/2013 04:24 AM, Volker Armin Hemmann wrote:
4 >>> Am 20.10.2013 08:34, schrieb Daniel Campbell:
5 >>>> hm, Redhat is one of the companies investing the most money into linux
6 >>>> kernel, userland, graphics... if you 'don't trust them' you are pretty
7 >>>> much 20 years too late.
8 >>>> Investing money does not make them any more qualified or deserving of
9 >>>> making decisions. Red Hat is not the sole user of Linux. They should
10 >>>> consider themselves lucky that they are even able to profit from
11 >>>> something that's free.
12 >>>>
13 >>>> You're right, though. They've been around for a while, and I've never
14 >>>> trusted them or any other corporate interest in *nix. There's always a
15 >>>> catch when dealing with a business.
16 >>>>
17 >>> 'have been around for a while' - replace that with 'are financing more
18 >>> core developers than anybody else'.
19 >>>
20 >> That's less reason to trust, not more. That's like citing the popularity
21 >> of something as proof of its quality, when oftentimes it's the exact
22 >> opposite that's true.
23 >>
24 >> So they spend a lot of money hiring developers. The more important
25 >> question is what is their agenda? What do they tell those developers to
26 >> *make*? You don't hire people without a business plan in mind.
27 >>
28 >>
29 > without Redhat, there would be no linux. gnu software would be massively
30 > lacking and X would be without drivers.
31 >
32 > So calm down.
33 >
34 Linux was created and released in 1991, built with GNU tools. Red Hat
35 didn't come along until 1993. Linux and GNU would both still be here;
36 their quality without Red Hat involvement is speculative at best.
37
38 I maintain that motives matter more than money and that they (motives)
39 should continually be audited, especially when receiving contributions
40 from a company. They may already be; I don't know.
41
42 Re: drivers, do you expect me to believe Red Hat is responsible for
43 every X11 driver out there? How many of this list?[1] What of radeon and
44 nouveau? nvidia's own driver? xf86-input-wacom (and linuxwacom)[2]? I'm
45 sure Red Hat has contributed plenty to X11, but your statement is
46 flat-out false.
47
48 [1]: http://www.usinglinux.org/x11-drivers/
49 [2]: http://sourceforge.net/apps/mediawiki/linuxwacom/

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Re: [gentoo-user] systemd and kernel developers cooperating to turn it into a global cgroup manager? Volker Armin Hemmann <volkerarmin@××××××××××.com>