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On Tue, Jun 3, 2014 at 8:37 PM, Greg Woodbury <redwolfe@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On 06/03/2014 01:08 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés wrote: |
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>> Who is "forcing" anything? pm-utils has been unmaintained FOR FIVE |
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>> YEARS. Any project that decides to stop using it is making just the |
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>> right decision; UPower just did the correct thing. And systemd had |
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>> *nothing* to do with it, except for providing a better, more reliable |
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>> alternative. |
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>> That's what you and many others don't seem to understand: systemd is a |
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>> *BETTER* implementation for basically *ALL* the hodgepodge of |
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>> "solutions" that we had before in our plumbing layer. |
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> <snip> |
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>> There is no conspiracy here (although for *SURE* there are |
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>> scare-mongering conspiracy theorists); there is (sic) only developers |
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(Sorry; I'm not a native English writer). |
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>> working in the best possible implementation for our plumbing layer, |
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>> and other developers realizing that, in Linux at least, supporting |
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>> anything besides systemd is a freakin' waste of time and resources. |
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>> Again; you don't like it? Then do something about it instead of |
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>> posting in *-user lists. |
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> You are certainly keen in pressing your *opinions* here there and |
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> everywhere. |
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Well, I also did what I could to help systemd in Gentoo get to its |
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currently state. Certainly I did not *just* complained on this mailing |
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list about why I could not use systemd and uninstall OpenRC; I helped |
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make it happen. |
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And it worked. |
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> Sure, systemd is a more elegant solution than the patchworks that have |
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> been applied several times to the original SysV concept. |
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Glad to see you recognize that. |
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> However, the implementors and advocates of systemd have stepped on the |
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> concerns and violated certain basic freedoms of many folks in their zeal |
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> to see their vision become predominate. |
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Oh FFS. What "freedoms" have you had "violated"? The "freedom" to |
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mandate what other developers should write, or what packages they can |
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use as hard dependencies? |
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You never had that "freedom". That's the developer freedom; if you |
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want some of that, become a developer. |
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Or help Samuli to maintain upower-pm-utils; that would be *much* more |
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helpful than spreding FUD about cabals and conspiracies. |
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Regards. |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Profesor de asignatura, Facultad de Ciencias |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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