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From: Rich Freeman <rich0@g.o>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean wants to remove openrc. Yikes!
Date: Sat, 24 Jul 2021 14:59:15
Message-Id: CAGfcS_=4smiLY6DwtHNwUR2Y9futmi-Xcz1N03kddntPUvjJ5g@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] --depclean wants to remove openrc. Yikes! by Alan Mackenzie
1 On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:46 AM Alan Mackenzie <acm@×××.de> wrote:
2 >
3 > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 10:14:20 -0400, Rich Freeman wrote:
4 > > On Sat, Jul 24, 2021 at 9:47 AM Alan Mackenzie <acm@×××.de> wrote:
5 >
6 > > > So in these virtual packages, it seems by default the _last_ mentioned
7 > > > package in a || ( ... ) construct is the one --depclean keeps. It all
8 > > > has the feeling of things not having been properly thought through.
9 >
10 > > I'm not sure what the default is - most likely PMS just requires that
11 > > one of them be kept.
12 >
13 > PMS? Part of emerge?
14
15 Package Manager Specification. Specifically:
16 https://projects.gentoo.org/pms/8/pms.html#x1-760008.2.3
17
18 All it requires is that one be present. Portage can use whatever
19 behavior it wishes to decide which to keep (assuming all installed
20 packages have their deps).
21
22 > It seems it's insisting on removing all packages but one which satisfy a
23 > virtual. Maybe that is unwise, and it should keep _all_ such packages
24 > which are currently installed.
25
26 Well, the whole point of an any-of dependency is to only require one
27 of them. Why force packages to stick around if they aren't needed?
28
29 Now, whether daemontools actually should satisfy the dependency I
30 don't want to comment on without doing more research. Surely though
31 there is little point in having openrc and systemd and runit on the
32 same system unless the user explicitly wants this (and if they do they
33 can just stick them in @world).
34
35 > I'm considering submitting a bug to bugs.gentoo.org, requesting that
36 > _all_ installed packages satisfying a virtual get kept. There is surely
37 > something wrong when somebody who just wants to be a user (me) has to
38 > read .ebuild files to get normal things done.
39
40 I'd be shocked if that went anywhere. I'd think the better solution
41 would be to have some kind of USE flag that tells daemontools whether
42 it is used as an actual service manager or not, though that has its
43 own issues (changing that state shouldn't require rebuilds/etc, but it
44 would).
45
46 In any case, you probably should have a chat with the daemontools
47 maintainer. I doubt the portage team would consider doing something
48 like this as some kind of universal policy. It would impact hundreds
49 of things that have any-of dependencies.
50
51 --
52 Rich

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