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While I appreciate a good pitch, I actually think that what awakened |
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the list so mightily is that someone brazenly posted to a Linux user |
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list with a business pitch with no business plan attached. |
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I think that most people who've had at least a brush with professional |
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software engineering read such a statement as if it were steel wool |
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scraping their eyeballs. If they've encountered such a business |
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situation, they know, it's not so much that it's a scam, it's that |
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they would suffer a lot less if it was just a scam. |
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Justin |
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On 1/11/06, James <wireless@×××××××××××.com> wrote: |
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> Petr Kocmid <Petr.Kocmid <at> project-bhairava.org> writes: |
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> > On Tuesday 10 January 2006 04:40, Mark Stewart wrote: |
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> > > Hello fellow Linux Users! |
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> > > We here at SaviourLinux.com desire to create a united universal way. |
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> > > Please visit the website for more information, but here is the purpose: |
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> > You missed the target audience. Here at gentoo there are mostly hardcore linux |
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> > geeks, and we already have "universal way". You do not make a fortune here |
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> > with a scam like this. |
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> (Splash--WAKE UP CALL) |
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> This thread has generated much noise, because it invokes the very antithesis |
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> of many things we hold dear: Irrelevance of Microsoft one day, ubiquitous |
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> secure and distributed computing, fantastic multimedia influenced and |
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> controlled by the little people of world etc etc.... |
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> It has generated so much concern (deeply disturbing responses) because we all |
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> need to earn a living and it'd be nice if we could do it, being perveyours |
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> of linux (Gentoo specifically) yet we lack initiative. |
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> I have often talk about preparing Gentoo for the masses, with little collective |
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> interest. I have even offered to spent my limited financial resources to get |
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> talented people to develop specific software and make it open source so that |
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> it can be used freely, available in source code and also open to |
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> entrepreneurial endeavors, much like the BSDish licenses. I personally think |
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> all of the hype over licenses are a waste of bandwidth. Who gives a shit, |
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> statistically. If something is great everybody is going to use it, and |
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> it's associated technical perveyours should make money signing autographs. |
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> 'Savior' is something Linux needs. The simple solution is for perveyours of |
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> (Gentoo) linux to stop being 'bone-heads' and start being Entrepreneurs. |
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> You make money, become affluent, you can write all the code and give it |
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> to whatever cause you want. What the youth of this list do not realize is |
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> their "Free time" combined with strong "programming skills" is capital. |
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> use it wisely, and more capital will flow your way. |
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> Specifically, I work as an engineer, with machines, industrial processes, |
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> communications, and too dam many lawyers and politicians. Machines on this |
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> earth are mostly controlled by SCADA systems: Supervisor Controls And Data |
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> Aquistion (sounds sexy huh?) Currenlty MicroSuck dominates the space, but, |
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> it's lack of robust security, has created a huge vacuum, highlighted by |
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> activities of 9/11. Futhermore in the near future, there will be at least |
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> 100 machines (micro P with connnectivity) per humanoid and the gap will |
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> only increase. AKA, the net of the future belongs to machines. Just look |
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> at the number of peripherals (machines) we have today and the pending |
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> explosion of every electro-mechanical device in your home, auto, work |
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> and leisure activities, having 'connectivity' in the not too distant |
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> future. Yet Linux lacks a robust open source SCADA plan. Many attemps |
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> have been made, but, most have been diverted to the traditional business |
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> model (come work for me and I'll give you a paycheck). Now is the time |
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> to develop software so that all electrical devices can be seemlessly |
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> managed and controlled. Whe have power over ethernet (802.af) and |
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> ethernet over powerlines, not to mention Rf chipsets that are shockingly |
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> low in price. The current vendor track is build a new device, |
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> write new software, and add it to the thousands of applications that |
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> exist. The future paradyne could be: Develop a robust Linux SCADA software |
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> package, make money migrating industry and consumers to it, and write |
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> device drivers for any product someone builds. That way the cost of |
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> software development is born of the open source community, and local |
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> entrepreneurs can spin hardware with local manufacturers to build |
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> successful 'regional products'. Gentoos get new toys, many of which |
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> are built by people they know.... |
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> I have offered money to any young, talented person wanting to make |
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> a name for themselves by championing the cause to develop an open source |
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> SCADA system for (Gentoo) linux. No takers. none. Why? This could become |
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> an excellent opportunity to teach software development, and migrate |
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> the industrial world to Gentoo. |
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> Leads me to beleive that everyone has too much cash or are scared to 'step up'. |
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> My programming skills have atrofied (like my spelling skills) over time. |
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> Furthermore, I'd be most interested in installing this SCADA system somewhere |
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> and generating attention as to what promise Gentoo holds for the future. |
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> The more of an Entrepreneur I become the less time I have to stay current or |
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> maintain my existing skill sets. Youth provides opportunity for greatness. I'm |
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> willing to finance greatness. There is no greater need than to develop a |
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> (Gentoo) based SCADA system. EVERYONE, except the commmercial SCADA vendors is |
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> very, very tired of MicroSuck in the Industrial space.... |
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> Then along comes this "Savior Thread" where folks are almost interested |
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> in giving away their personal capital in the pursuit of foolishness. |
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> My answer to Savior Linux is "put the check into the mail, and I'll be |
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> right there". But, I'm willing to send a check to someone that this list |
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> agrees with, has the BALLS and BRAINS to build a SCADA software package |
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> for Gentoo. I just want a licence that encourages entrepreneurial |
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> implementation of the software, more akin to BSDishness..... That way |
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> folks can build hardware, sell it in small volume, make a living, |
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> and the greater gentoo community becomes greater, because we have |
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> the newest/coolest hardware toys, and the software is part of a single, |
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> very cool package that is easy to maintain. Under this scheme, developing |
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> device drivers would become routine for Gentoo Folks. Hardware guys |
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> could focus on hardware and gets their drivers for free! |
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> If you are unfamilar with SCADA: |
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> http://www.comedi.org/doc |
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> http://www.modcomp.com/scada/scada_app.html |
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> http://www.rtaautomation.com/modbustcp |
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> http://www.jffnms.org |
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> The rub is ( i use to love the rub: in engineering school that's where |
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> some old, nasty bastard challenged the students to actually do something |
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> with what we were learning) |
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> video controls and display of video needs to be added to the SCADA software. |
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> I think an open API for rapid addition of machines and hardware beyond |
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> that of PLC (programmable logic controllers) is important too. |
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> Think of it as SCADA on steroids. |
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> I'm not rich [(3) kids; beautiful, nagging wife and a boat in disrepair]; |
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> yet this is something that I'm will to spend my money on, for the |
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> benfit of the wider Gentoo community. |
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> Any takers? |
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> sincerely, |
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> James Horton, PE |
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