Re: default stage3 (was : [gentoo-user] Is Gentoo still on the right path?)

[Daniel da Veiga]

Nothing changed for those who already installed Gentoo ever, as stated
before, it will be even faster/easier to install for a experienced
user, and has advantages like not keeping circular references, etc.

Another point of view: easier to install means that the "newbie
filter" that install was crumbles, well, we'll receive lots of emails
now and the foruns will receive more posts too. Some will think its
good, others not. I myself think its good, more people joining. But in
the other hand, lets face it, Gentoo is not easy, its not simple and
its not designed or the best distro to start in the Linux world.

On 11/21/05, Holly Bostick <motub@××××××.nl> wrote:
> Hemmann, Volker Armin schreef:
> > On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote:
> >
> >> WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did
> >>  a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a
> >> stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced
> >>  to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've
> >>  never listened to the "Gentoo is dead" comments.. but now who
> >> knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea?
> >> from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community!
> >>
> >
> >
> > well, it was made, because the idiots are too dumb to read and follow
> >  the stage1 instructions.
> >
> > And gentoo needs more idiots, right?
> >
> > Up until now, the installation was a nice filter - but that has
> > weakend now, too.
>
>  I don't actually agree... the impression I'm getting is that Gentoo has
> now matured/evolved into a state where filters are no longer necessary
> (or as necessary as previously).
>
> Before now, the Gentoo install was rather fragmented, because all the
> tools necessary to install Gentoo did not all work, or did not all work
> as well as they needed to, or did not all work as well as they needed to
> in combination with each other. In practical market terms, you wouldn't
> want just everybody installing it-- in order to ensure a good and
> successful experience for the largest number of people, you would not
> want to encourage those who were untrained or refused training, since
> the state of the backend required training for successful use. Those who
> were turned off by the amount or complexity of the documentation (and/or
> the length of time the install entailed) would tend naturally to fall away.
>
> But once Gentoo is actually installed, it's just as easy to use as
> anything else. Maybe you have to learn "emerge -whatever" instead of
> "apt-get whatever", but one is not particularly "harder" than the other.
> It was always the install that was hard, not the usage.
>
> The evolution/maturation of Gentoo and its associated tools means that
> in order to install Gentoo you no longer have to carefully pick your way
> across a minefield (stage 1), but can with confidence stride across a
> beautiful grassy plain (stage 3). If you then want to turn around and
> "customize" that field-- plant some flowers, for example-- you can do
> that (emerge -e world), or you don't have to. But the point is that if
> you want to interrupt your journey to whatever was on the other side of
> that field (use your PC for whatever you planned to do with the system,
> instead of suffering to install the system in the first place) you now
> have a choice about whether to do that or not. You are not essentially
> forced to do so by the fact that the minefield was not clear and passage
> to the other side was not easy or safe and required a great deal of
> attention.
>
> Unbelievable that people are complaining about an improvement in
> ease-of-use (or in this case, installation). I'd also wonder why Steve
> B. is installing (again) anyway; one of Gentoo's hallmarks is that you
> basically install it once and you (almost) never have to do it again.
>
> That is of course Steve's business..... although if he's going to
> reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a
> reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning
> system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much
> faster.
>
> But maybe I just have a strange point of view.
>
> Holly
>
>
>
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