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Hemmann, Volker Armin schreef: |
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> On Monday 21 November 2005 13:33, Steve B wrote: |
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>> WTF.. I'm getting ready to rebuild my gentoo box. I have always did |
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>> a stage 1 install. i was under the impression that if u used a |
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>> stage 3 u couldn't muck with your CFLAGS or what not. If I'm forced |
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>> to use canned binaries I might as well go with FC or Debian.. I've |
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>> never listened to the "Gentoo is dead" comments.. but now who |
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>> knows.. this is just crazy.. who came up with this stupid idea? |
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>> from the sounds of it certianly not the Gentoo Community! |
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> well, it was made, because the idiots are too dumb to read and follow |
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> the stage1 instructions. |
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> And gentoo needs more idiots, right? |
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> Up until now, the installation was a nice filter - but that has |
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> weakend now, too. |
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I don't actually agree... the impression I'm getting is that Gentoo has |
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now matured/evolved into a state where filters are no longer necessary |
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(or as necessary as previously). |
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Before now, the Gentoo install was rather fragmented, because all the |
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tools necessary to install Gentoo did not all work, or did not all work |
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as well as they needed to, or did not all work as well as they needed to |
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in combination with each other. In practical market terms, you wouldn't |
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want just everybody installing it-- in order to ensure a good and |
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successful experience for the largest number of people, you would not |
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want to encourage those who were untrained or refused training, since |
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the state of the backend required training for successful use. Those who |
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were turned off by the amount or complexity of the documentation (and/or |
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the length of time the install entailed) would tend naturally to fall away. |
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But once Gentoo is actually installed, it's just as easy to use as |
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anything else. Maybe you have to learn "emerge -whatever" instead of |
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"apt-get whatever", but one is not particularly "harder" than the other. |
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It was always the install that was hard, not the usage. |
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The evolution/maturation of Gentoo and its associated tools means that |
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in order to install Gentoo you no longer have to carefully pick your way |
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across a minefield (stage 1), but can with confidence stride across a |
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beautiful grassy plain (stage 3). If you then want to turn around and |
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"customize" that field-- plant some flowers, for example-- you can do |
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that (emerge -e world), or you don't have to. But the point is that if |
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you want to interrupt your journey to whatever was on the other side of |
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that field (use your PC for whatever you planned to do with the system, |
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instead of suffering to install the system in the first place) you now |
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have a choice about whether to do that or not. You are not essentially |
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forced to do so by the fact that the minefield was not clear and passage |
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to the other side was not easy or safe and required a great deal of |
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attention. |
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Unbelievable that people are complaining about an improvement in |
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ease-of-use (or in this case, installation). I'd also wonder why Steve |
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B. is installing (again) anyway; one of Gentoo's hallmarks is that you |
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basically install it once and you (almost) never have to do it again. |
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That is of course Steve's business..... although if he's going to |
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reinstall, again I must wonder why he would complain that such a |
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reinstall is now likely to be much easier, and lead to a functioning |
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system (from which he can emerge -e world to his heart's content) much |
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faster. |
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But maybe I just have a strange point of view. |
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Holly |
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