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On 16/02/2014 20:11, Samuli Suominen wrote: |
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> On 16/02/14 18:41, Alan McKinnon wrote: |
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>> On 16/02/2014 17:46, Tanstaafl wrote: |
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>>> On 2014-02-15 3:32 PM, Canek Peláez Valdés <caneko@×××××.com> wrote: |
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>>>> For Slackware, I have no idea. For Debian, no the only options were[1]: |
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>>>> 1. sysvinit (status quo) |
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>>>> 2. systemd |
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>>>> 3. upstart |
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>>>> 4. openrc (experimental) |
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>>>> 5. One system on Linux, something else on non-linux |
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>>>> 6. multiple |
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>>>> It should also be noted that no one in the TC voted OpenRC above |
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>>>> systemd AND upstart, and that while a couple voted systemd below |
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>>>> everything else, it can be argued that it was a tactical vote. |
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>>>> Regards. |
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>>>> [1]https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/ |
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>>> I would really, really, REALLY like to see a thorough, civil debate |
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>>> involving those far more knowledgeable than I on the pros and cons of |
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>>> systemd vs OpenRC... |
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>>> As it seems to me, the Debian OpenRC page says that the cons are not |
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>>> nearly as large as the systemd proponents would have us believe. |
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>>> https://wiki.debian.org/Debate/initsystem/openrc |
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>> I don't know much about systemd, I do know openrc. |
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>> Thus far, the only real actual benefit I have seen of systemd that is a |
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>> real issue that really affects me is consolekit. It's not exactly the |
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>> best piece of software out there, comparable to HAL and how it was |
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>> replaced by udev. So systemd replaces and fixes consolekit by providing |
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>> logind. |
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> ConsoleKit works just fine for the features it advertises to have, where |
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> as HAL never did, |
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> so I really don't know what you are referring to? |
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It's a poor design. It's also unmaintained currently. |
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But I don't want to debate consolekit, it's OT for this thread. It runs |
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on my machines currently because ebuilds pulled it in. It seems to do |
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what it should, so for the moment I'm happy to leave it in place. But I |
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don't regard it as a good design, it's one of those things I list in the |
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risk register in my head and keep an eye on as I consider it brittle. |
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I only brought it up as an example, an illustration of my position. If |
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you feel it's a lousy analogy then so be it, but I'd rather not detract |
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from the topic of the thread, which is systemd. |
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Alan McKinnon |
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alan.mckinnon@×××××.com |
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