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On Fri, Apr 26, 2013 at 11:29 AM, Alan Mackenzie <acm@×××.de> wrote: |
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> Somebody reported that pulseaudio is an absolute requirement for Gnome |
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>>=3.8. That may not be 100% of users, but the "forced" is certainly |
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> there. |
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No one is forcing nothing on anyone, since nobody is forcing no one to |
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use GNOME, Gentoo, or Linux for that matter. The developers of any |
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project can always decide the dependencies of a project. If you are |
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not a developer, you simply have no vote in the matter, although you |
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certainly always have voice... that they can choose to ignore. |
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> There's a difference between a "default choice" and an absolute |
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> requirement. |
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Yeah; and the decision is for the developers to make. |
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>> Basically there's a bunch of vague criticisms of unnamed systems where |
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>> "they" force stuff on "all users" for "no good reason". Nevermind that |
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>> we can actually state what the reasons are. Fingers in the ears. |
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>> neener neener. |
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> Please feel free to state those reasons, which as far as I can see, |
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> nobody has done yet in this thread; "they" being the gnome team, and the |
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> reasons being for the forcing, not for a non-existent "default choice". |
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If GNOME has to support PA and non-pa systems, they need to code, |
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test, support and bug-fix 2 different sets of of systems. If they need |
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to support ConsoleKit and logind, the number grows to 4 (PA/ck, |
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PA/logind, non-PA/ck, non-PA/logind). With 3 different optional |
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requirements, it's 8 sets of systems. With 4, is 16. With n, it's 2^n. |
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That's exponential growth, which in CS is always no-no. |
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Who is going to code, test, support and bug fix all those possible |
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configurations? You? |
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The GNOME developers simply cannot support all different sets of |
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possible configurations, and PA covers the sound needs of *ALL* users |
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(doesn't matter if you like it or not), even the simple cases. If PA |
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has bugs in some configuration, those bugs need to be fixed; the |
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solution (in the GNOME developers view) is not to "remove PA", since |
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the goal of the project is to cover *ALL* use cases. |
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But hey, the source is there; feel free to patch whatever needs to be |
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patched in GNOME (and probably GStreamer) so it doesn't require PA. |
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Just be certain that those patches will be rejected by upstream, for |
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the reasons stated above. |
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And by the way, this is also true for Gentoo: it cannot support all |
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different sets of possible configurations, no matter how hard they/we |
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try. |
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Regards. |
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Canek Peláez Valdés |
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Posgrado en Ciencia e Ingeniería de la Computación |
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Universidad Nacional Autónoma de México |
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