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From: Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files?
Date: Thu, 11 Feb 2010 07:37:56
Message-Id: 20100211073121.GA14006@waltdnes.org
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? by Neil Bothwick
1 On Wed, Feb 10, 2010 at 02:18:43PM +0000, Neil Bothwick wrote
2 > On Wed, 10 Feb 2010 07:57:57 -0500, Walter Dnes wrote:
3 >
4 > > > but D-Bus provides a standard way for applications to communicate
5 > > > with one another and removing it can stop your desktop working as
6 > > > it should.
7 > >
8 > > Then how did things manage to work on my systems for the past 9 years,
9 > > pray tell?
10 >
11 > Because nine years ago, Linux desktop software didn't use interprocess
12 > communication. Of course things will still work, but not necessarily
13 > everything. For example, Network Manager uses D-Bus to tell programs when
14 > your Internet connection is available and not, so your mail client goes
15 > into offline mode rather than pointlessly trying to access your mailbox.
16 > KDE4 uses it quite extensively, ust as KDE3 used DCOP.
17
18 There is too much solution-in-search-of-a-problem here. XMMS followed
19 the original Unix philosophy... it did one thing did it right, namely
20 playing audio. Unfortunately, XMMS was hard-coded to use a now obsolete
21 GTK library.
22
23 The "successor" to XMMS is Audacious. It seems to subscribe to the
24 Microsoft philosophy, and tries to do everything under the sun, and
25 pretends it's a server, which requires dbus. Is it *REALLY* necessary?
26 I used XMMS to play mp3's and Live365.com. I ended up switching to
27 mpg123 for both functions when XMMS was dropped, and then to the Flash
28 player for Live365. I emerged Audacious, but unmerged it when I saw the
29 post-install warning that said not to submit any Audacious bug reports
30 if I don't have dbus installed.
31
32 --
33 Walter Dnes <waltdnes@××××××××.org>

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Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] How the HAL are you supposed to use these files? Neil Bothwick <neil@××××××××××.uk>