Re: [gentoo-user] NAS and replacing with larger drives

[David Rosenbaum]

Dave

On Sat, Dec 17, 2022, 11:42 AM Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:

> Mark Knecht wrote:
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> On Sat, Dec 17, 2022 at 8:52 AM Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
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> > Mark Knecht wrote:
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> > On Fri, Dec 16, 2022 at 8:50 PM Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
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> > > I
> > > wonder, could one install the LVM stuff and use that?  That would be
> > > interesting.  I wonder if there is a NAS software that uses LVM
> > > instead.  Interesting thought.  I just may go bug google on that one.
>  o_O
> >
> > Maybe I'm missing the point but why would you want LVM on a
> > storage pool? If I'm doing backups I just want space. I let TrueNas
> > put it on disk and give it back if asked. Why put another layer
> > of indirection?
> >
> > If you're intending to use it as simple NAS - i.e. - the only copy
> > of some data on your network - then possibly LVM might
> > be interesting, but then you need a second TrueNAS box
> > to back that up. NAS as a mountable data location is
> > different than NAS doing backups which is what I thought
> > this thread was about. What am I not remembering?
> >
> > - Mark
> >
> >
> > It's more about me being more used to using LVM.  Also, more used to
> Linux as well.  BSD is not something I have much experience with and until
> recently, none with ZFS.  Even the little experience I have with BSD was
> well over a decade ago, maybe two decades ago.  I barely remember it really.
> >
> > By replacing ZFS with LVM, I'm working with something I'm familiar with
> and less likely to mess up things.  Things get messed up enough without
> adding more confusion.  ;-)
> >
> > Dale
> >
> > :-)  :-)
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> Hummm...I don't know Dale, I don't know... ZFS is a file system.
> LVM is an abstraction on top (or underneath?) of a file system.
> My understanding of LVM is that it frees you from hard decisions
> on partition sizes, not that it replaces ZFS or ext3/4/5.
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> That is true.  Thing is, I've learned how to manage LVM even with
> encrypted data.  I've also learned how to expand storage without losing
> data or getting confused about what I'm doing.  To me, using LVM is pretty
> easy given the notes I have for the tasks I do most often.
>
>
> You may or may not know this but TrueNAS is available as a
> Linux version:
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> https://www.truenas.com/blog/first-release-of-truenas-on-linux/
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> I don't recommend it. It's new. Let someone else figure it out. However
> it might be more to your liking, and because it's Linux you'd be more
> comfortable messing it up. ;0-
>
> WRT you I recommend that you try living in NGL for a while. Possibly
> you are just a bit too indoctrinated in the religion of building packages
> 30-50 times a year believing (without hard data) that it provides value.
> Instead you might just consider relaxing and letting the system
> take care of itself. In the last year I've only updated my TrueNAS box
> twice that I can remember.
>
> On the other hand if system tweaking is what brings you joy then
> Que Sera Sera .....
>
> Good luck,
> Mark
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> It's not that I want to compile things, it's that I want to use things I'm
> already really familiar with.  If I bought a Raspberry Pi and built a NAS
> with it, I don't care if I compile the software on it or not as long as it
> has the software I need or I can install what I need.  From what I've read,
> compiling on a Raspberry isn't much fun.  It's very time consuming. Having
> a OS, binary one at that, that is Linux based is a big plus.  I can run
> LVM, cryptsetup and such in likely every Linux distro out there and get the
> same result as on my Gentoo box.  Switching to BSD, using ZFS, means I have
> to learn a whole new set of tools and methods.  I had enough fun learning
> LVM and I don't think LVM is going to die anytime soon.  It should be
> around for the foreseeable future.  As it is, even now, I still don't get
> how ZFS works.  I just followed a guide to get it working, sort of.  It's
> still not encrypted.  Figuring that out is next.  That should be fun.
>
> My network card is out for delivery.  A few days late but better than
> never I guess.  I'll see if the drivers needed for it are available as
> modules or not.  I suspect they are tho based on info in this thread.
>
> Dale
>
> :-)  :-)
>