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From: Jil Larner <jil@××××.eu>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ?
Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:10:05
Message-Id: 4788ADA8.9020107@gnoo.eu
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Daniel Robbins' come back ? by Alan McKinnon
1 Well, it's like if I am opening my eyes. I never looked at what the
2 foundation was supposed to do. For a couple of years I've been using
3 gentoo, I never get any political announcement, maybe because I didn't
4 look at the right place, or maybe there was no. I mean that except the
5 Gentoo's Philosophy and the Gentoo's Social Contract, I didn't see
6 politic, for my eyes were probably closed.
7 It doesn't mean I didn't enjoyed gentoo, its power, its flexibility, its
8 community. But I certainly missed something. There are so many ways to
9 communicate (lists, IRC, boards, wikis, project pages, etc.) that I must
10 admit I'm sometime lost.
11
12 Today, I learn we're in trouble. Good. What trouble ? What's happening ?
13 Why through the words of Daniel Robbins, I feel some fear ? I feel he
14 foresees a dead end and offers an opportunity to change before it is too
15 late. Once more, to quote Matrix, "the problem is choice". In Free
16 Software, there are often choices where the community can get involved
17 in and it makes our strength. The problem is, and is not, legal papers.
18 Because, IMO, legal papers are the visible part of an Iceberg. Could
19 someone tell me what *really* is the crisis ? If people did not do what
20 they were supposed to do : what should they have done ?
21
22 Thanks.
23
24 Alan McKinnon a écrit :
25 > On Saturday 12 January 2008, alain.didierjean@××××.fr wrote:
26 >> Daniel Robbins offers to take back Gentoo leadership.
27 >> What about it ? Read
28 >> http://blog.funtoo.org/2008/01/here-my-offer.html
29 >
30 > I've kept very quiet about Gentoo politics for a long time, but Daniel's
31 > blog has promoted me to finally open my mouth and express my views.
32 >
33 > Daniel is in a tricky position - he is the legal President of the
34 > Foundation but also has no role in the project in real life.
35 >
36 > There is no evidence whatsoever that the Trustees as a group have ever
37 > done a single thing for Gentoo in three years. The fundamental
38 > responsibility of Trustees is to ensure that legal paperwork is
39 > properly filed, they did not even do this. Grant Goodyear is getting
40 > some things done but he's doing it as one person. Chris is in a similar
41 > position. But the Trustees, as a body with specific duties, simply does
42 > not exist in any reasonable definition of Trustees.
43 >
44 > I used to read -dev and various council mailing lists a long time ago as
45 > I wanted to keep up to date with these things as a user. I unsubscribed
46 > because I couldn't stand the constant bickering going on there. OSS
47 > projects always have their laundry out in the public eye and some
48 > conflict is always present but Gentoo management manages to take this
49 > to a whole new level - from on outsider's point of view, the bickering
50 > is done for the sake of bickering, and it does not result in decisions
51 > being made or solutions found.
52 >
53 > Ciaran Mcreesh - I am very specifically looking at you here.
54 >
55 > The council - I'm not up to date on that aspect so can't comment.
56 >
57 > When I read about current Gentoo politics I can't help but constantly
58 > think of just one word:
59 >
60 > Stampede.
61 >
62 >
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