Re: [gentoo-user] minimal installation CD iso is where?, &&

[Felix Miata]

Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-06 08:33 (UTC+0100):

> I can think of no good reason to start with GRUB 0.97it.

I have hundreds of installations. Grub is simple and works. I'm not into
breaking what works.

>> Goal #2 is to get through that first pass
>> without any of systemd being installed.

> Then just follow the handbook. It appears you have read neither the
> handbook nor the recent posts to your threads fully or you would know
> that systemd is not the default and requires some extra steps to install.

I don't remember the handbook saying I was supposed to memorize the whole
thing before going back to the beginning and actually trying to install. If
it did I would have been done before trying to start. I don't have an eidetic
memory. I forget, a lot.
https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/About and the
following several pages made the process look like it shouldn't be very
difficult. If they were the only pages I knew or read, maybe it would have
been easy, but that's not what happened.

>> Choosing options rather
>> accepting defaults is not "pretty easy", at least for me who installed
>> Gentoo only once previously, more than 4 years ago.

> Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
> handbook you would have got what you wanted.

Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when a branch explanation
ends before an answer emerges. It probably would have been easy if only the
first 3 or 4 Distrowatch columns existed and it had an empty systemd row. I
haven't been able to reconcile apparent choices the older columns imply with
Gentoo's instructions and mirror content. You understand how Gentoo "version"
selection works. 4 days later and I'm apparently still a long way off from
getting it, or whether it even offers any such thing.

The swarm of good help I got here early on induced me to keep trying when I
was really too exhausted to focus. I need to table it until some time when
I'm mentally stronger, and less distracted. Dogged persistence isn't a
positive attribute in every context. Sleep gets short changed, and failure
snowballs.

Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-06 09:10 (UTC+0100):

> On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 03:59:44 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

>> 1-Distrowatch is what lead me to believe I could do something I wished
>> to do.

> Is it DistroWatch that led you to believe that what you wanted wasn't
> the default to start with?

Yes.

>> e.g. https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:X86/Installation/Base
>> discusses use of mirrorselect, before it directs to start chroot. In
>> the context of a non-Gentoo boot (as offered in the alternative boot
>> instructions) to get to stage 4, how exactly is mirrorselect to be
>> found?

> Mirrorselect is optional, just pick a mrror based on geographical
> location.

Done.

>> Re progress: I'm at the point of running emerge --ask
>> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources, but it quits if I say no, and fails emerging
>> sys-devel/bc-1.06.95-r1 (emake AR="$(tc-getAR)") if I say yes. :-(

>> http://fm.no-ip.com/Tmp/Linux/G/config.txt

> Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added ccache
> to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I did the same
> thing last week.

An "addition" was done somewhere around a decade ago, the last time I
compiled anything from source. Before chrooting, I copied .bashrc from my
template stash into the target /root. It has 'export "CC=ccache gcc"' in it.
I commented it out, rebooted, rechrooted and tried again. bc still failed so
I tried emerging ccache. That too failed.

Lightbulb. Comment ccache out of chroot host too, restart. emerge ccache
succeeded. emerge --ask
sys-kernel/gentoo-sources did too.

I still need to better balance persistence with sleep. Bed now. TBC.
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