Re: [gentoo-user] minimal installation CD iso is where?, &&

[Neil Bothwick]

On Thu, 06 Aug 2015 05:13:42 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:

> Neil Bothwick composed on 2015-08-06 08:33 (UTC+0100):
>
> > I can think of no good reason to start with GRUB 0.97.
>
> I have hundreds of installations. Grub is simple and works. I'm not into
> breaking what works.

So you already have a bootloader? Then you can skip the whole bootloader
section of the handbook and just add Gentoo to your existing menu. The
handbook assumes that you need to install a bootloader, maybe it could be
clearer about skipping that step if you already have one.

> >> Goal #2 is to get through that first pass
> >> without any of systemd being installed.
>
> > Then just follow the handbook. It appears you have read neither the
> > handbook nor the recent posts to your threads fully or you would know
> > that systemd is not the default and requires some extra steps to
> > install.
>
> I don't remember the handbook saying I was supposed to memorize the
> whole thing before going back to the beginning and actually trying to
> install. If it did I would have been done before trying to start. I
> don't have an eidetic memory. I forget, a lot.

No one said you should read it all through first, although that is a good
idea with any complex set of instructions. The handbook is supposed to be
followed as you work through it. If you had read it first, you would know
that systemd is not even covered as an alternative, apart from the
pointer to another part of the wiki.

> >> Choosing options rather
> >> accepting defaults is not "pretty easy", at least for me who
> >> installed Gentoo only once previously, more than 4 years ago.
>
> > Gentoo is not supposed to be easy, but if you'd just followed the
> > handbook you would have got what you wanted.
>
> Choosing non-defaults breaks the flow, especially when a branch
> explanation ends before an answer emerges. It probably would have been
> easy if only the first 3 or 4 Distrowatch columns existed and it had an
> empty systemd row. I haven't been able to reconcile apparent choices
> the older columns imply with Gentoo's instructions and mirror content.
> You understand how Gentoo "version" selection works. 4 days later and
> I'm apparently still a long way off from getting it, or whether it even
> offers any such thing.

It doesn't. there are profiles that set parameters at a fixed point in
time, but there is no Gentoo version, it is a rolling release distro. In
fact, the whole concept of a version goes against how Gentoo works.
Ubuntu has a version, 15.04, that comes with a specific set of packages
chosen for you by the maintainers. With Gentoo you are the distro
maintainer - the version you have includes whatever packages you choose,
my versions are different.

> > Which clearly says ccache not found. That implies you have added
> > ccache to FEATURES but not installed the ccache package. I know, I
> > did the same thing last week.
>
> An "addition" was done somewhere around a decade ago, the last time I
> compiled anything from source. Before chrooting, I copied .bashrc from
> my template stash into the target /root. It has 'export "CC=ccache
> gcc"' in it. I commented it out, rebooted, rechrooted and tried again.
> bc still failed so I tried emerging ccache. That too failed.
>
> Lightbulb. Comment ccache out of chroot host too, restart. emerge ccache
> succeeded. emerge --ask
> sys-kernel/gentoo-sources did too.

I did more or less the same last week. Copied much of /etc/portage from
old box to new one, tried to emerge something but ccache wasn't there.

> I still need to better balance persistence with sleep. Bed now. TBC.

Yes, there's always that one more thing to try before you pack in for the
night.. until your head hits the keyboard.


-- 
Neil Bothwick

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