Re: [gentoo-user] Re: systemd? [ Was: The End Is Near ... ]

On March 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM "Canek Peláez Valdés" <caneko@×××××.com>
wrote:

> On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM, Bruce Hill, Jr.
> <daddy@×××××××××××××××××××××.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On March 17, 2012 at 8:48 PM Nikos Chantziaras <realnc@×××××.com>
wrote:
> >
> >> On 17/03/12 13:53, Alan Mackenzie wrote:
> >> > Hello, Nikos.
> >> >
> >> > On Sat, Mar 17, 2012 at 08:25:48AM +0200, Nikos Chantziaras wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>> Happy Computer Users, systemd is on your horizon.
> >> >
> >> >> No, we don't.  I hope systemd arrives soon.  It's the best init
system
> > I
> >> >> ever saw.
> >> >
> >> > What's so good about it?  What will it do for me?
> >> >
> >> > I have this horrible sneaking suspicion that it will be more
> > complicated
> >> > than /sbin/init + OpenRC, just like udev + initramfs is more
> > complicated
> >> > than udev, and CUPS is more complicated than classical lpr.
> >> >
> >> > Why do you find it so good?
> >>
> >> No idea.  I only posted this because the OP didn't say what's bad
about
> >> systemd :-)  I really don't know I should care whether my system runs
> >> OpenRC or systemd.
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > I'm the OP, and often I don't know how to express myself.
> >
> > It is my understanding that systemd is going to force an initramfs on
you
> > even if you only have / and no other partitions. (Could it be initrd
and
> > not initramfs?)
> >
> > I'm all for automounting a device when it's plugged in, if that's what
the
> > user chooses. But for me, with my workstation, laptop, wife's PC and
> > daughter's laptop -- we just don't need or care for it. Seems a shame
to be
> > using udev and then have to completely change your system when 181
comes
> > out, or freeze it at .
> >
> > Therefore, we don't install anything to automount devices. We have
lines
> > such as these in fstab:
> >
> > UUID=6C5F-3742    /Libby-Vivitar   vfat
> > noauto,users,rw,gid=100,dmask=0002,fmask=0113  0 0
> >
> > for those devices we own. When we get a new device, we add a new line.
> >
> > We don't use a DE either, just Fluxbox.
> >
> > The bottom line is that I don't like things being forced on me (hint,
"get
> > the vaseline, they're on the way!") And I don't like upstream forcing
such
> > nefarious changes on the distros. And for the Lennart fanboi, his
coding is
> > so questionable that "Lennartware" has become derogatory slang. (Of
course,
> > you already know that.)
>
> No need to get personal man, relax.

I disagree ... there's every reason to get personal. Not getting personal
doesn't assign the blame. Men stand up and take responsibility for their
actions.

> I'm getting my PhD in Computer Science
<snip>

I got my PhD in life before your parents met. So what? Just saying...

> So again, please, [citation needed]. You still haven't provided any
> reference to support your claim that Lennart's code (specifically
> systemd's code) is "poorly" done.

Mate, have you heard of the world wide web? The internet?

> Regards.
> --
> Canek Peláez Valdés

Seriously, mate ... are you his boyfriend, on his payroll, related, or
what?

You search LKML for yourself. I've been there since 2003 and have numerous
memories.

How about:
http://www.change.org/petitions/lennart-poettering-stop-writing-useless-programs-systemd-journal

Sorry, mate ... many of us here are allergic to FUD <:-)}
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