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On Sat, 7 Jun 2014 11:32:00 +0300 |
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Gevisz <gevisz@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> On Tue, 03 Jun 2014 14:38:34 +0300 |
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> Samuli Suominen <ssuominen@g.o> wrote: |
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> > On 03/06/14 14:30, J. Roeleveld wrote: |
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> > > Sounds like Samuli is being a pr*ck by forcing systemd on everyone |
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> > > now. A proper solution would have been to have the upower ebuild |
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> > > select systemd as a dependency ONLY when the systemd useflag is |
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> > > set. And depend on upower-pm-utils when it is not set. -- Joost |
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> > First of all, you should check your tone and secondly, you are |
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> > clearly not understanding the situation as you are oversimplifying |
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> > a complex situation. |
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> > For example, Xfce works on non-systemd systems with any of these |
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> > UPower versions, so forcing upower-pm-utils with USE="-systemd" |
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> > would simply be bogus. |
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> It is simply not true. I use xfce and still I could not update my |
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> world just because some systemd-dependent guys think that they can |
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> force everybody else to use it. |
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Please try to understand the situation before blaming any parties; |
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systemd-dependent guys haven't even been involved in all of this, so, |
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I'm not sure how you can perceive this as a matter of force by them. |
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It is a logical consequence of pm-utils' end-of-development life cycle. |
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> > If you are looking for a system that decides everything for you, and |
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> > doesn't give you options what to install, you are propably better |
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> > off using some binary distribution with smaller set of |
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> > possibilities. |
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> I look for the system that can clearly update itself, not trying to |
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> sell me something that I do not need after I have clearly decided for |
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> the default package before. |
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The system is selling you a choice; pick one or the other, it's not a |
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"merge systemd" but rather a "block systemd against the other choice". |
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The system cannot merge something until you make that choice; if you |
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are looking for a distribution that can update itself, Gentoo might not |
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be the right distribution for you as it is all about providing choice. |
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Compare this to other distributions which make the choices for you; |
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interesting to note, a lot of those distributions picked systemd, |
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instead of it being forced Gentoo actually blocks it for you to choose. |
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With kind regards, |
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Tom Wijsman (TomWij) |
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Gentoo Developer |
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