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El Sab, 7 de Febrero de 2009, 19:40, Harry Putnam escribió: |
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> Jesús Guerrero <i92guboj@×××××.es> writes: |
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>> El Vie, 6 de Febrero de 2009, 22:00, Harry Putnam escribió: |
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>>> Grant Edwards <grante@××××.com> writes: |
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>>>>> The cynic in me says that it's because Tim Berners-Lee |
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>>>>> invented HTML, not Richard M Stallman. |
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>>>> Info has been around a lot longer than HTML, but I think you're |
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>>>> largely correct. |
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>>> I recommend that people use emacs to read `info'. They work really |
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>>> well together and the vast arsenal of search and other tools in emacs |
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>>> are brought to bare in `info' reading. Once you used emacs for `info' |
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>>> reading the standalone `Info' reader will seem pretty primitive. |
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>> Well, I'd first need to use info to use emacs to use info, |
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>> you get the point :p |
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> Ahh no. You'd first need to pay attention to the thread. |
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> Then if you want to learn about emacs you might consider using emacs |
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> to learn about emacs rather than info. Emacs is thoroughly documented on |
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> board. |
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> So wrong on both counts. ; ) |
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Well, you might still get the point of my post: if you are not |
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an emacs user and you don't want to use emacs just to read info |
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pages, you are stuck with plain info, which is just as bad and |
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sometimes even worse than man. Info is nice when you already |
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know what you are looking for. But it's a pain to handle when |
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you need to find something quick. |
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Emacs helps with that, but first a non-emacs user would need |
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help with emacs, which negates all the benefit. |
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That's what I meant. |
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I follow the thread since it started, by the way. |
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> Far as I know... no one but newbies think the manuals are written for |
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> newbies. They are not. |
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But the truth is that newcomers need to use the man pages, |
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like it or not. Be realistic. |
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> Neither is the info system. But it does have considerably more detail |
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> in some manuals and usually a hypertexted index and tables of contents. |
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> That alone (in many cases) renders it more usable. |
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That entirely depends on the concrete man and info pages we |
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are talking about, and how careful and smart its creator was. |
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>> Once you are proficient with emacs, then info vs. man is |
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>> probably a non-issue for you anyway, so I don't get your point there. |
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> Please... if you paid attention you'd know that the emacs thing was |
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> offered as an advanced method of using info. Note the keyword "advanced". |
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> That already precludes newbies. |
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Already commented on that. |
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> Further, how is that |
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> being proficient in emacs renders man or info a non-issue? |
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Because if you know emacs you can probably find your way |
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around the docs, it doesn't matter if they are man, info, |
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readmes, html or whatever else you might imagine. |
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> Once more for those who are unwilling to read the thread before |
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> posting. |
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Errm... I'll better not answer to that. |
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> There should be no posts beyond this point proclaiming how tuff it is |
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> to use emacs if you have no network on a fresh install... Or having to |
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> suffer through learning info to learn emacs to.... ah but who knows. |
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So you word is definitive and infallible. |
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