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Michael wrote: |
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> On Saturday, 30 May 2020 23:34:30 BST Peter Humphrey wrote: |
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>> On Saturday, 30 May 2020 23:16:56 BST Neil Bothwick wrote: |
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>>> On Sat, 30 May 2020 22:46:18 +0100, Peter Humphrey wrote: |
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>>>>> The point of meta packages is that they install a whole set of stuff, |
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>>>>> in this case "Merge this to pull in all Plasma 5 packages". If you |
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>>>>> don't want the kitchen sink, don't use meta packages. I have a kde |
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>>>>> set in /etc/ portage/sets that includes just what I want. As a result |
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>>>>> I have a decent KDE desktop but without needing networkmanager, or |
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>>>>> any of the PIM stuff. |
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>>>> I tried doing that some time ago. I got so heavily bogged down in a |
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>>>> dependency mire that I gave up. You wouldn't like to show your set, |
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>>>> would you? Please? :) |
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>>> Here you go. I make no claims as to its suitability, or even uptodatedness |
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>> ---8> |
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>> Many thanks. After writing that I had another go using a different approach, |
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>> and it just fell into place. Combining your set and mine ought to give me a |
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>> working system. |
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>> With such a complex, reticulated (I think that's the word) system as plasma, |
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>> it's easier to subtract from a whole set than to build up from nothing. |
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> In a previous installation I used a similar approach, which soon became |
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> somewhat tiresome. One package was retired, some other took its place and |
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> more than once I would end up tying up myself in knots, trying to change the |
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> list of individual packages and associated USE flags to allow portage to |
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> update my desktop without dragging in all sort of unpleasants. |
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> In a more recent installation I followed a different route. I installed |
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> selected meta-packages from the list at the bottom of this page: |
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> https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/KDE |
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> but first I disabled some USE flags to avoid networkmanager: |
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> kde-plasma/plasma-meta -networkmanager |
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> kde-plasma/powerdevil -wireless |
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> This is the plasma-meta flags I use now: |
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> [I] kde-plasma/plasma-meta |
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> Available versions: |
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> (5) |
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> 5.18.5 [bluetooth +browser-integration crypt +desktop-portal |
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> discover +display-manager elogind grub gtk +handbook +kwallet +legacy-systray |
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> +networkmanager plymouth pulseaudio qrcode +sddm sdk systemd thunderbolt |
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> +wallpapers] ["?? ( elogind systemd )"] |
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> Installed versions: 5.18.5(5)(19:51:01 21/05/20)(bluetooth browser- |
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> integration crypt desktop-portal display-manager elogind handbook kwallet |
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> legacy-systray sddm wallpapers -discover -grub -gtk -networkmanager -plymouth |
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> -pulseaudio -qrcode -sdk -systemd -thunderbolt) |
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> Admittedly, like you I have also installed LVM which I don't want/need on its |
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> own. It is pulled in by sys-fs/cryptsetup, needed by pmount, which I use and |
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> may want to use with encrypted filesystems in the future. I'm not sure if |
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> ext4 fs encryption is mature enough presently and what it requires. A project |
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> for a rainy day. |
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I mostly use the meta packages but there was one that I only needed a |
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couple programs from. I removed the meta package and installed the |
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programs I wanted. It worked fine but it could be that I just picked a |
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couple packages that are easy. Before that, I tried not using any meta |
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packages. That was a disaster. Given my usage, I don't think the |
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benefit of not using meta packages would have saved me much if |
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anything. It results in a larger world file, dependency problems when |
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upgrading plus having more packages to keep up with manually since I run |
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unstable on KDE plus a few other GUI programs. |
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It would seem logical that not using meta package would result in a |
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leaner and easier to update system. Thing is, in reality it isn't that |
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way. Depending on what packages you pick to use but not part of the |
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meta package, it could create more work than it's worth. |
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I to noticed the wireless package coming in. I have a wireless router |
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but everything except my printer and cell phone is hard wired. My puter |
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itself has nothing wireless about it. Still, it's easier to just |
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install it and let it sit there than it is to fight to keep it off. It |
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doesn't do anything, it isn't in my way or popping up annoying messages |
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or anything either. I just let it go. I guess I could disable some USE |
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flags but I doubt that would help reduce anything either. |
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Basically, pick battles that are worth winning. ;-) Sometimes even when |
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you win, you don't get anything for the win. |
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Dale |
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:-) :-) |
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P. S. Video comparing KDE to other desktop was interesting. Maybe KDE |
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is getting back to like it was when KDE3 was around. I sorta miss those |
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days. Neat desktop. KDE4 sure had some growing pains. |
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