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On 11/16/05, Derek Tracy <tracyde@×××××.com> wrote: |
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> (DISCLAIMER: Let me start off by saying that this is truly not a flame but |
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> more of a concern. So please do not flame me for stating my |
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> opinions/concerns.) |
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Understood. I certainly didn't take it that way. |
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> I have been an avid Gentoo User for 2 and 1/2 years now. |
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About the same as me. |
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<SNIP> |
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> In the past I |
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> have always leaned toward ~x86 (I love bleeding edge). But since this was |
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> going to be a new install I decided to do the preferred method and set all |
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> ~x86 flags via /etc/portage/package.keywords for specific packages. |
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Right. |
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> Now since we have the background we will get to the questions at hand. |
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> During this install I have run into nothing but problems. |
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<SNIP> |
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... with a slight modification I am using LVM2 for /usr /usr/portage |
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> /opt /var /tmp /home (I figured I would take advantage of some setuid |
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> security procedures). Part way through the online handbook I noticed that |
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> they standardized the Stage3 install. I figured that since the developers |
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> thought it was best to use a Stage3 install then why not give it a shot. So |
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> I installed everything according to the handbook and all went well until I |
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> restarted. |
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Yes, but I've done FC installs that did the same thing. It's not |
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limited to Gentoo. |
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<BIG SNIP --- IT'S ABOVE MY PAY GRADE> |
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> So now I am waiting for the whole system to recompile using ~x86 (the so |
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> called "Unstable" packages) and I will see if that works or not. |
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Bummer. The Gentoo install is a lot of work. To completely restart is |
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painful. Was there really no other option? I don't remember you asking |
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about this. Did I miss it? |
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> I am seriously reconsidering finding another OS to use, this whole headache |
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> has been totally ridiculous. I could see this if I would have emerged all |
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> of the unstable packages to begin with or even perform a Stage1 install |
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> after the developers decided to make the Stage3 the default. But I didn't I |
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> did everything according to the documentation (and I triple checked that I |
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> did not skip anything). |
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> So with all of this said if the developers do not start testing everything a |
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> little more thoroughly then I predict there will be a serious drop in the |
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> number of Gentoo Followers out there. Especially if a Gentoo Veteren has |
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> this hard of a time installing the operating system that I love. |
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In some ways I agree. I have an AMD64 machine (I'm writing you from |
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it) that has a LOT of packages as ~amd64 to make it usable. I |
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recognize that this is newer hardware and I expected this would be |
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required, but recently I've noticed portage getting hinky about ~x86 |
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vs. ~amd64. My /etc/postage/package.use file is getting weird trying |
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to keep up. Portage is trying to downgrade things that are marked |
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~x86. I change them to ~amd64 and it lets me keep them. Something |
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feels wrong about that. |
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But at least my system works. (mostly...) I have no complaints. Just concerns... |
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> When a branch is marked stable all of the packages in that branch should |
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> work, yes there will always be configuration glitches but the problems I |
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> have had during this install were not from configuration glitches. They are |
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> what looks like incompatible packages and numerous other things. If Gentoo |
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> is going to continue to grow then we as a community need to speak up about |
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> things like this. |
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Well, yes and no. I don't think that 'stable' is the same as |
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'guaranteed'. None the less I agree with what I think is the sentiment |
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of your statement. In some of the online polls it seems that Gentoo's |
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popularity has dropped a bit lately. Personally I'm more and more |
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impressed with it every day. It's only been on my AMD64 machine that |
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I've seen many issues. |
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I will admit that I have a big concern about an upcoming MySQL update |
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that is probably going to break my whole TV network here. Due to my |
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fear I haven't upgraded MySQL and will likely come back ranting myself |
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sometime in December when I'm probably forced to do it. We'll see... |
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;-) |
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Best of luck getting the problems worked out. |
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cheers, |
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Mark |
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