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From: Joshua Murphy <poisonbl@×××××.com>
To: gentoo-user@l.g.o
Subject: Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly
Date: Fri, 28 Nov 2008 16:09:39
Message-Id: c30988c30811280809l68e67797k8166634285384433@mail.gmail.com
In Reply to: Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly by Alan McKinnon
1 On Fri, Nov 28, 2008 at 6:46 AM, Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com> wrote:
2 > On Friday 28 November 2008 13:14:42 Dale wrote:
3 >> If this is a little high, what would be the best way to defrag it?
4 >
5 > By not defragging it.
6 >
7 > It's not Windows. Windows boxes needs defragging not because fragmentation is
8 > a huge problem in itself, but because windows filesystems are a steaming mess
9 > of cr@p that do little right and most things wrong. Defrag treats the
10 > symptom, not the cause :-)
11 >
12 > Reiser tends to self-balance itself out. What is especially noteworthy is that
13 > none of the general purpose Linux filesystems provide a defrag utility.
14 > Theodore 'Tso and Hans Reiser are both exceptional programmers, if there was
15 > a need for such a tool they would assuredly have written one. They did not,
16 > so there probably isn't.
17 >
18 > Any Linux defrag tool you encounter will have been written by a third party
19 > separate from the developers. It will move blocks around and update
20 > superblocks, the drive will have to be unmounted for that to work and a
21 > slight misunderstanding of how to do it will ruin data.
22 >
23 > Are you willing to take the very real risk of data corruption?
24 >
25 >> Is
26 >> there a best way? I do have a second hard drive that I back up too.
27 >> Both Drives are 80Gbs and I do have a set of DVD back ups as well. I
28 >> can update those pretty quick.
29 >
30 >
31 >
32 > --
33 > alan dot mckinnon at gmail dot com
34 >
35 >
36
37 While not trying to incite flames here... xfs isn't general purpose?
38 xfs_fsr defrags xfs partitions while they're mounted and is designed
39 to be used from cron (it's in xfsdump, not xfsprogs). File
40 fragmentation, while a fact of life on any filesystem that sees any
41 real use, does slow access times, as the drive head has to jump from
42 one place to another, so a lot of fragmentation is a bad thing... but
43 as you say, we're not dealing with FAT based FS's here, so severe
44 fragmentation only shows itself on very full filesystems. I very
45 rarely see over 80% usage of my filesystems and have never
46 consistently checked fragmentation levels, though, so I can't say
47 whether xfs's being the exception on having a tool for the job means
48 it particularly needed one...
49
50 --
51 Poison [BLX]
52 Joshua M. Murphy

Replies

Subject Author
Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly Alan McKinnon <alan.mckinnon@×××××.com>
Re: [gentoo-user] Fragmentation of my drives. Curious mostly Paul Hartman <paul.hartman+gentoo@×××××.com>