Re: [gentoo-user] separate / and /usr to require initramfs 2013-11-01

[Dale]

Mark David Dumlao wrote:
> On Mon, Sep 30, 2013 at 6:00 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>> Mark David Dumlao wrote:
>>> On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:31 AM, Dale <rdalek1967@×××××.com> wrote:
>>>> One thing that you seem to be missing here.  Before Gentoo, I used Mandrake.
>>>> It had a init thingy.  It caused me much grief and is one reason I left
>>>> Mandrake.  I also didn't like the upgrade process either but one reason I
>>>> chose Gentoo is no init thingy.  I wanted to be rid of that.  Now, whether
>>>> it is udev or not, here comes that stupid init thingy just because someone
>>>> doesn't want to put files where they should be which is not inside /usr.
>>>>
>>>> So, given my history with the init thingy, if I do use a init thingy and it
>>>> fails for whatever reason, I'll be installing something else.  I done went
>>>> down the road of trying to fix one of those stupid things and I have no plan
>>>> or desire to do so again.  I'm also not going to spend hours reinstalling
>>>> Gentoo either.  If, more than likely when, the init thingy fails, I'll be
>>>> installing something else and I'll most my last sign off message here.  One
>>>> thing about Linux, there are plenty of distros to pick from .  I love Gentoo
>>>> but I like to be able to boot up without dealing with a init thingy that I
>>>> have to fix when it goes belly up.
>>>>
>>>> Dale
>>>>
>>> I don't know why people keep humoring this kind of explanation for
>>> systemd, udev, or /usr FUD, but this is not a rational way to think. It's
>>> the same kind of excuse to say "I'm never going to use any kind of Linux,
>>> even Android, because I tried it 3 or 4 times when it was on floppies,
>>> and I couldn't get it to work".
>>>
>>> I'm really sorry about your terrible experience with "init thingies" in the
>>> past, but you've got to face the facts:
>>> 1) most distros today, Kubuntu included, bundle an "init thingy"
>>> and it works flawlessly for them.
>>> 2) you really, seriously, have to own up to the fact that your init thingy
>>> failing was very likely your fault (because of 1)
>>> 3) managing "init thingies" has gotten ridiculously easy over time as
>>> compared to when you manually had to build them
>>>
>>> Especially that number 2 part. I mean, let's not forget that character
>>> of Gentoo as a distribution. Or heck, even *nix distributions in general.
>>> *nix distributions give you a lot of tools to arrange your systems the
>>> way you want, i.e. choice, but it is always implicitly under the assumption
>>> that the choice you're making is an *informed* choice.
>>>
>>> That's why you're asked to read the manual, or check the readmes,
>>> or check the sample configs, and in this day and age, do a basic search
>>> for working examples, before asking questions. *nix is not, and has
>>> never been about being "polite" to users who don't know what they
>>> are doing, and has always been about being efficient to users who do.
>>>
>>> I've been recommended to put it "over the top" bluntly before, so:
>>> 1) STOP. FREAKING. BEING. IRRATIONAL.
>>> 2) STOP BLAMING INIT THINGIES FOR YOUR MISTAKES. THE DAMNED
>>> THINGS WORK.
>>> 3) If you're scared of doing an init thingy *manually*, just read and do
>>> the howto of the simplest init thingy manager in town (dracut? genkernel?).
>>> It surely takes less time and effort than migrating to Kubuntu or whatever.
>> Already tried making a init thingy from a really nice howto, Gentoo one
>> I think.  Failed big time.  Heck, the init thingy barely even loaded
>> before it failed.  I seem to recall posting on here.  As far as I know,
>> no one knew how to fix it or what was wrong.  The dracut one worked but
>> if it ever failed, I'm in the same boat, no freaking clue how to fix it
>> or where to start and if I can't boot, no help either.  So just to
>> update, my most recent experience wasn't to good either.  It isn't all
>> about YEARS ago.  It is also about more recent attempts.
> Meanwhile, for more stupidly over the top blunt trauma:
> Please grow up and read your excuses for what they are. You
> (1) failed to make an init thingy manually
> (2) refuse to use a known working system that thousands use
> on account of GREMLINS
> and
> (3) threaten to replace it with another working system that thousands use.
> but no gremlins here!
>
> At the end of they day, you don't want to learn how to do it "the hard way". So
> do it the easy way and be done with your troubles. If you don't want to do it
> EITHER way fine, but stop pretending that it's anything else but a problem
> with your attitude. You're being exactly the kind of user that unpaid
> volunteer devs don't want to waste time having to support.

And that is your opinon which is pretty much useless and wrong to boot. 

Dale

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